Due process thrown under the truck: A Sun-times editorial to agree with – Quicktake

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Advocate
6 years ago

Representing the indigent as a Government Attorney, on a government salary, with government worksite conditions, is not what many lawyer’s dream of for thier careers. Thier salaries are a pittance, when compared to private sector lawyers. Worksite conditions sparse. Huge caseloads private lawyers NEVER see lest they run afoul of ABA stabndards. Then often the Appellate lawyers are attacked as being greedy public employees…who need to have thier pensions cut. Glad Wirepoints is concearned with the plight of the State Appellate Defenders funding concearns. These lawyers are paid for by the State to file appeals for those allready convicted of… Read more »

Jeff Carter
6 years ago
Reply to  Advocate

I think they aren’t being attacked for being greedy on pensions-but they could go from defined benefit to defined contribution and it would save the state a lot of money while giving them individual freedom and liberty over the money they earn.`

DMND
6 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Carter

Recently, I worked for a local government and had a lot of contacts with “attorneys”. Many of these government attorneys are flunkies or bustouts. Many have never tried a case in a real courtroom and hav every little experience in certain fields. Also, these are the same people negotiating public sector labor contracts. I remember watching these atttroneys negotiate a contractural dispute with a national Union. They flew in a professional lawyer, from back East, and he made mince meat out of the attorneys representing the tax payers. It really put things into perspective, for me, in understanding why we… Read more »

nixit
6 years ago
Reply to  DMND

Taxpayers are always going to be at a disadvantage when the other side does this for a living. Unions have “business representatives”, “field service directors”, and “Uniserv directors” who negotiate 24/7. Your local school board has well-intention-ed parents who would like to hold the line on costs but don’t want to be raked over coals if there is a strike. And when push comes to shove, no one wants to get power then be the guy associated with cuts and doesn’t get to spend.

nixit
6 years ago
Reply to  Advocate

How many government attorneys would rather be coding, making $35/hr w/ no vacation, crammed into a small, humid conference room with other lawyer coders? Probably not what many lawyer’s dream of for their careers either.

Government Attorneys are free to pursue opportunities elsewhere. My spouse worked for the AG for a few years but left due to the ineptness and lack of ambition of the office and management in general. Absolutely thriving in the legal field now.

jaherzrent
6 years ago
Reply to  Advocate

Lawyers can do great good or great harm. Hopefully more of these Government Attorneys are dedicated to our justice system than I suppose. Where that is the case, the pittance salaries and government worksite conditions are not significant factors. Is the proposal here that we should pay them more and give them window offices and pastry carts? A better solution would be to make it a condition of holding a law license that all lawyers step up to the plate and that take these cases (just as we all must serve on juries). No more “buying out of the draft”… Read more »

Advocate
6 years ago
Reply to  jaherzrent

This is truely front line duty for a lawyer. Akin to military service. Your client is allready convicted of rape or murder….or imagine a felony. Home Invasion. Armed Vehicle Hijacking whatever. You must travel to the Lock-up. Enter the most secure facility you can imagine to have a PRIVATE conversation with your client. The convicted felon who maintains his/her innocence is your client. The two of you will be spending much time togethor forging a defense….required teamwork with the quite often psychological and behavioral disturbed. Those talks are quite unique. Your opponent has the power and resources of the State,… Read more »

Advocate
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark Glennon

Well I agree with you Mark that you never said a bad word about a public defender, or State appellate defender, least I never read such. I wiill back you up on that. However many if not most of Wirepoints disdain towards government workers compensation and pensions lumps all govt workers togethor, public defenders are necessarily included in that group of public employees that are a target here. Cook County Public Defenders are represented by the seemingly evil Afscme through collective bargaining…yet you agree Afscme could do better for them. I have read so much villianization of public servants here… Read more »

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