Rich Miller: Irvin is definitely a (bankrolled) Republican

Irvin might not be enough of a Republican for the purists. And Democrats might want to weaken Irvin in the Republican primary for governor by pointing to some of the nice things he’s said about Democrats (including the governor) over the years. But Richard Irvin is still a Republican.
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Riverbender
4 years ago

The Free Stuff Army, State and union types are a strong voting block. Add that to an assortment of those too lazy to vote and things add up to another term for Pritzker. I am sad to say it but that’s how I see it unfotunantly.

Spike Protein
4 years ago

I hate the Capitol Fax blog by Rich Miller. I respect the free speech rights of Rich Miller and the people who post on his blog, but I hate their liberal ideology and their pompous, elitist political insider attitude. I hate that Miller presents it as a credible news source on Illinois politics instead of the liberal political commentary that it is. The Capitol Fax is basically an elitist hangout for Illinois political insiders and sadly I don’t agree with the political viewpoints of the vast majority of them. As an Illinois citizen who is a political outsider, I always… Read more »

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Riverbender
4 years ago
Reply to  Spike Protein

Many tend to be State employees

Lana
4 years ago

Irvin and Sullivan are as much a republican as Lightfoot and Preckwinkle are.

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Pensions Paid First
4 years ago
Reply to  Lana

That’s the problem. No matter how much money Kenny throws at Irvin will all republican voters hold their nose for someone that doesn’t meet their purity test in the general election? I like to think that their frustration with JB will be enough but I’m just not sure.

Chase Gioberti
4 years ago

There’s a difference between being pure and refusal to vote for a Democrat who became a Republican for the sake of convenience.

Ex Illini
4 years ago

The CrapFax gang won’t be happy with Irvin’s entrance into the race. They were positive JB’s wealth tax would pass until Griffin showed up with his bags of cash. Now he threatens to do it again, and this time he’s targeting Jabba himself. Watch their heads explode.

Pensions Paid First
4 years ago
Reply to  Ex Illini

He better get to work. Some serious ground to make up.

Jan 18-20 1208 likely Illinois voters with 2.82% margin of error.
Head to head matchups: 

  • Pritzker 52.4% vs Gary Rabine 28.4% (Pritzker +24)
  • Pritzker 55.2% vs Darren Bailey 27.4% (Pritzker +27.8)
  • Pritzker 53.1% vs Jesse Sullivan 22.4% (Pritzker +30.7)
  • Pritzker 53.1% vs Richard Irvin 21.6% (Pritzker +31.5)
  • Pritzker 55.5% vs Paul Schimpf 22.2% (Pritzker +33.3)
Wolfnight
4 years ago

Early early days.

Surprised Freddie’s leads are as low as this.

He is in real trouble now Mr Griffin has picked his stalking horse.

Plenty of time. Tick Tock.

Pensions Paid First
4 years ago
Reply to  Wolfnight

I hope you’re right. I just don’t see it.

“More than half of the voters surveyed — 51.7% — said Pritzker has earned another term in office. Another 43.3% said he hasn’t, while 5% said they were undecided on whether the billionaire Democrat should have a second term in office.”

Even with all the mandates and executive orders, JB has the support of the majority of the voters. Money typically sways those on the fence. Plus JB will just match the spending so it’s not an advantage for either side.

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debtsor
4 years ago

What is the source of that survey, Crap Fax? Hahahaha A 52-55% margin won’t be enough for fat rich boy in a general ballot +5 Republican environment. Democrats are toast, everyone know it, and most independents are voting straight ticket Republicans, and even if today they say “he’s earned another term in office”, they’ll show up at the ballot box saying “but it’s time to try something new”. 2022 is going to be a repeat of 1994 which ironically was the last time Republicans controlled the IL legislature. And this time Republicans – national, state and local – are prepared… Read more »

Pensions Paid First
4 years ago
Reply to  debtsor

It’s Rod McCullough (Republican Strategist) at Victory Research. I have no idea about the accuracy of his polling although he states he was only off 1.2% for the 2018 Pritzker victory and 1% off on the fair tax.

The people over at Capfax do not like Rod from past comments I’ve read. People tend to disagree with polling that does not conform to their own beliefs.

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debtsor
4 years ago

Don’t know much about Rod’ polling. Maybe he’s right. But 43.3% said he hasn’t earned another term in office. That’s more than the state’s Trump vote. That’s a great place to be actually in a state like Illinois. Lower turnout plus a general Republican +5 ballot and we could have something like another Virginia on our hands. What’s even better is that JB is tied to the general Democrat ticket which is in freefall. He can’t untie himself from Biden’s high 30’s approval rating (worse than Trump according to some polls!). JB has nowhere to go but down between now… Read more »

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debtsor
4 years ago

“People tend to disagree with polling that does not conform to their own beliefs.” I can’t find the link from Revolver dot news but it basically argues that most polling doesn’t exist to accurately gauge public sentiment, but rather, exists to set a public narrative, which is why so many of them are off by wide margins. Polls are not not even trying to be correct – they’re instead trying to convince voters what the polling should be rather than what it actually is. That’s why polling is so distrusted. There’s a handful of trusted pollsters and the rest are… Read more »

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NB-Chicago
4 years ago
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Pensions Paid First
4 years ago
Reply to  NB-Chicago

Thanks for posting. I tried to add the link on my first post but that caused my post to get flagged for moderation.

Spike Protein
4 years ago
Reply to  NB-Chicago

This article was written by Mark Maxwell of WCIA CBS Channel 3 in Champaign. That is important because Maxwell and Rich Miller of the Capitol Fax blog are the two liberal reporters / commentators that the Democrat and RINO establishment in Illinois use to advance their narratives. This “article” and the “poll” that it cites are both likely fake news that are being used to create a narrative and public expectation that Pritzker is the inevitable victor of the Illinois gubernatorial race and that Gary Rabine is the expectant Republican frontrunner. Rabine, to my knowledge has yet to campaign anywhere… Read more »

Chase Gioberti
4 years ago
Reply to  debtsor

Stop.

1994 Republicans won both houses in the legislature and swept the statewide offices.

I doubt they win one statewide office this time and they won’t come close to flipping the legislature.

This is no longer positive thinking. This is lunacy.

debtsor
4 years ago
Reply to  Chase Gioberti

“There a real shot at winning some statewide offices. “

This is lunacy? I didn’t say we’d flip the house but we could win some seats for sure. It would be unusual if we didn’t win seats in this crazy Republican favored
environment.

NB-Chicago
4 years ago
Reply to  debtsor

debtsor–republicans win statewide offices with the 100% gerrymandered map the machine just past–really? forget it, face reality–we’re screwed. For the machine the big prize is replacing judge kilbride w union/ machine friendly state sc judge an im not sure what going on with that situation (the press never reports on).

unfortunately, i think millers piece is pretty spot on. any hopes conservatives have is to win back the moderate/ independents, especially women & latinos, in the burbs. not sure if irvins the guy but the rest of the rep pack stand zero chance

Pensions Paid First
4 years ago
Reply to  NB-Chicago

I’m curious NB. How does a gerrymandered map prevent republicans from winning state-wide offices?

debtsor
4 years ago

Not directly but indirectly. Gerrymandering demoralizes the other side and results in lower turnout. Why bother showing up to vote when the Republican party can’t even run candidates in the local and state elections? I’d had plenty of elections in my life where I show up and only voter for 1 or 2 people out of 10 because there aren’t any Republicans on the ballot. The problem isn’t the IL GOP’s lack of candidates – there’s virtually no chance of a Republican winning a heavily gerrymandered district because the local Republican strongholds are divided up 4 ways to Sunday. What… Read more »

Pensions Paid First
4 years ago
Reply to  debtsor

If GOP voters aren’t motivated against JB to show up to vote that’s on them and the message of the party and not because of any maps. Giving it any credence in a state-wide election is what demoralizes voters not to show up. There are plenty of people that throw out the term gerrymandered and don’t understand that it has no direct impact in a state wide election. Take some of your own advice and be positive.

debtsor
4 years ago

You can spend 20 seconds searching Duckduckgo for ‘does gerrymandering reduce turnout’ and there are plenty of academic articles about it. Of course the articles argue that Republican gerrymandering reduces turnout, but I’m sure it applies to Democrat gerrymandering as well. But we both hope that GOP voters are motivated to show up to vote out JB. Even if my ballot contains not even a single Republican state senate or house candidate, judge, county commissioner or dog catcher to vote for. But like I said, there aren’t enough insane Republicans in IL who’d want to take on union backed candidates… Read more »

debtsor
4 years ago
Reply to  NB-Chicago

“unfortunately, i think millers piece is pretty spot on. any hopes conservatives have is to win back the moderate/ independents, especially women & latinos, in the burbs. not sure if irvins the guy but the rest of the rep pack stand zero chance” Miller is an idiot, as always. Irvin isn’t going to win ‘back’ votes from moderates or independents. And especially not suburban women, the short haired harpies with Hate Has A Home here signs in their yard, they were never Republicans to begin with, ever. Voting is all about turnout. The more voters for your side that show… Read more »

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Chase Gioberti
4 years ago
Reply to  debtsor

You said we could have another Virginia on our hands. That is insane. Yes, it would be likely to pick up a couple of seats but that’s not anywhere remotely close to being another Virginia. Not even in the same universe as Virginia.

Chase Gioberti
4 years ago
Reply to  debtsor

No, you said 2022 is going to be a repeat of 1994, a year when the GOP won both houses in the legislature and all four statewide races. Are you seriously saying this is not lunacy?

Fed up neighbor
4 years ago
Reply to  debtsor

I honestly believe Rich Miller is Oswego Wiley

debtsor
4 years ago

The arrogance seems awfully familiar when they both post…

Spike Protein
4 years ago

If this poll is accurate, it’s incredible that the majority of voters in Illinois would still vote for Pritzker despite all of the covid mandates.

It’s hard to believe that most Illinoisans actually like being mandated to wear a mask, lock down, quarantine and test despite being perfectly healthy, and vaccinate.

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