Pritzker is calling for additional funds for Tier 2 public employees, those hired on or after Jan. 1, 2011. Some have suggested that the so-called Tier 2 pension benefits fall short of federal safe-harbor requirements because they may be less than those provided by Social Security. But no one has proved that Tier 2 benefits fall short of Social Security, or by how much. Better to answer those questions than commit major funds to solve a problem that does not exist.
Not once have I seen a dollar to dollar comparison of what a person would get after 30 years of Social Security versus 30 years under a Tier 2 pension. I bet there is a reason for that.
Your argument implicitly suggests the two systems were designed with equal intentions. Not so! When the SS system was started in the 1930s it was meant to be part of a three-legged stool to support a retiree with maybe equivalent expectations for the other two legs of that stool, a private pension from privatpte work and personal savings. TRS and CTPF were meant as a replacement for SS and a private pension, thus they were designed to be more generous than SS from the outset.
Even if your post was true (It isn’t. Cite a source to back it up) you’re missing the point of the issue. Due to the Safe Harbor Laws enacted since, the benefits of the Tier 2 pensions are not supposed to be less than SS.
The argument is whether or not Tier 2 pensions actually violate safe harbor requirements for pension plans. Your 3 leg stool argument about original intent of SS, even if it is true, is irrelevant to the problem.
David F
3 months ago
How about all new hires get a 401K and drop pensions, perfectly legal for new hires.
One obvious problem there is that the IL pension systems (TRS and CTPF) meant eventually for retirees are partially funded by all teachers to include any new teachers. Absent those employed teacher contributions the state and Chicago would be required to raise taxes for such purposes some other way, and your new plan would require more outside-source funding every year that passes. Chances are those new new-and-rising taxes would include you. Be careful what you wish for.
Bingo! It’s been a 401k in the real world since the early 80s. However, making this change apparently requires a constitutional change and democrats willing to scuttle their careers by bucking the public unions. Their personal interests are opposite what’s best for the state.
A largely unasked question is becoming glaring: Is Illinois doing all it should to use artificial intelligence to make government cost less and work better? So far, the evidence says no.
Not once have I seen a dollar to dollar comparison of what a person would get after 30 years of Social Security versus 30 years under a Tier 2 pension. I bet there is a reason for that.
Your argument implicitly suggests the two systems were designed with equal intentions. Not so! When the SS system was started in the 1930s it was meant to be part of a three-legged stool to support a retiree with maybe equivalent expectations for the other two legs of that stool, a private pension from privatpte work and personal savings. TRS and CTPF were meant as a replacement for SS and a private pension, thus they were designed to be more generous than SS from the outset.
Even if your post was true (It isn’t. Cite a source to back it up) you’re missing the point of the issue. Due to the Safe Harbor Laws enacted since, the benefits of the Tier 2 pensions are not supposed to be less than SS.
The argument is whether or not Tier 2 pensions actually violate safe harbor requirements for pension plans. Your 3 leg stool argument about original intent of SS, even if it is true, is irrelevant to the problem.
How about all new hires get a 401K and drop pensions, perfectly legal for new hires.
One obvious problem there is that the IL pension systems (TRS and CTPF) meant eventually for retirees are partially funded by all teachers to include any new teachers. Absent those employed teacher contributions the state and Chicago would be required to raise taxes for such purposes some other way, and your new plan would require more outside-source funding every year that passes. Chances are those new new-and-rising taxes would include you. Be careful what you wish for.
Bingo! It’s been a 401k in the real world since the early 80s. However, making this change apparently requires a constitutional change and democrats willing to scuttle their careers by bucking the public unions. Their personal interests are opposite what’s best for the state.
Moving all new employees to a 401k wouldn’t require a constitutional amendment. It would just require elected leaders that want to make that change.