Illinois Budget Woes: Still Smoking – Wall Street Journal

"The state’s decision to legalize gambling and marijuana helps immediate problems but delays the state’s inevitable financial collapse."

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Dan
6 years ago

Why share articles that we can’t read? Perhaps you can tell me if they are pretty much saying the pensions are doomed in this article.

Dan
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark Glennon

I understand that Mark. I was just hoping that the Wall Street Journal thinks the pensions are doomed and will be lowered one way or another- the same as you and Ted do.

Dan
6 years ago
Reply to  Dan

Mark, I will ask you this: How does a state collapse in this day and age? Wouldn’t there have to be a federal bailout fairly quickly or some sort of federal pension reduction? It isn’t like Iowa and Indiana would just be hopping and skipping along with Illinois in full on collapse for years.

Dan
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark Glennon

Mark, I think my larger point is that they will have to do something fairly quickly. You aren’t just going to have one state in total collapse while all the rest are fine. They will have to step in and allow and/or do something about the pensions. Don’t you agree? Thank you for you responses.

J.A. Herznet
6 years ago
Reply to  Dan

Any bailout is likely to involve a haircut (it won’t be 100%) and pension bailouts are likely to be capped at $X per month. The bigger the “claim,” the more the bailout is likely to be so the political-union incentive is to keep increasing the claimed amount. Same motives if bankruptcy is in prospect. States and municipalities “should” not be rewarded for their heedless financial management. Same for the Teamsters. But federal entitlements like Social Security and military and federal pensions aren’t pre-funded in any real sense so those systems are basically using current receipts to pay those already retired.… Read more »

Dan
6 years ago
Reply to  J.A. Herznet

The reality is that the federal government will have to do something once IL pensions go insolvent, or any other state for that matter. It is just a matter of what they choose to do, and the time is drawing near.

Dan
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark Glennon

I would share this article title with Greg Hinz and Rich “paid off by public unions” Miller.

Dan
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark Glennon

Crain’s has been very good, but Greg Hinz hasn’t. Miller is a paid off stooge. People need to stop treating him as anything other than that, from all sides.

nixit
6 years ago
Reply to  Dan

Dan – You’d be surprised how many govt agencies besides the state subscribed to Capitolfax at one time or another. Besides numerous counties and munis, here are some oddball Capitolfax subscribers:

College of Lake County
DuPage Forest Preserve
Waukegan Park District
Public trans of Metra and PACE
Pension funds of SURS, CTPF, and MEABF
School districts of El Paso Gridley CUSD #11 and Lake Forest School District 67
Illinois Student Assistance Commission

nixit
6 years ago
Reply to  Mark Glennon

It’s easy to be shameless among the acolytes in your echo chamber.

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Chicago’s political leadership is floating a pension buyout program as evidence it is seriously addressing the city’s thirty-six-billion-dollar unfunded pension liability, but Mark Glennon, founder of the Illinois policy research organization Wirepoints, said that the proposal moves debt from one column to another rather than reducing it, and that the broader fiscal picture facing the city continues to deteriorate across every measurable dimension. Audio here.

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