The number of breakthrough deaths remains significant in Illinois. This past week, 91 of the state’s 181 COVID deaths were breakthroughs, meaning cases where the victim was fully vaccinated.
It should be noted, however, that breakthrough deaths have been heavily concentrated in the elderly, as with other COVID deaths. The IDHP says 87% of breakthrough deaths have been in age groups 65 and older. But those are cumulative numbers going back to when vaccinations began. That’s not really helpful because it is current death rates that matter, given that vaccine efficacy trails off, particularly around 5-6 months after vaccination, and there simply weren’t that many vaccinations of younger people early on.
Ideally, therefore, we would present these numbers adjusted for both age and time since vaccination, but those numbers are not available.
As we earlier wrote, the federal government and the State of Illinois do not make any of these numbers easily available, and they are being ignored by most media. Some individual states, however, are reporting breakthrough rates, and the numbers are significant. Maryland recently reported that 40% of its recent COVID deaths were breakthrough cases.
For a take on what these breakthrough deaths mean, read our piece: ‘Breakthrough Deaths’ After Vaccination Are Not Rare, Recently Representing Over A Third Of Illinois Covid Deaths.
Or listen to Wirepoints’ most recent podcast, where we go into full detail: The Dialogue – Episode 7 – Think COVID deaths among the vaccinated are rare?
This column was updated to include the second and third paragraphs in lieu of a chart showing numbers of breakthrough and other COVID deaths.
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I would be curious how many of these breakthrough cases/deaths already had covid. But for some reason that data is not collected. I’m guessing very few and the government doesn’t want to know because it will show these vaccines are not all that effective. The amish population has natural immunity and the Amish have had no breakthrough cases and yes they do interface with the general population quite often
What’s your definition of a breakthrough case?
She’s asking if a previously infected but subsequently vaxxed patient can get reinfected.
The answer is that they don’t track this data. There’s been studies showing that reinfection is very rare. There are also studies that show vaxxed patients who catch coronavirus for the first time have lower levels of antibodies than unvaxxed who catch coronavirus, but antibodies aren’t everything when it comes to immunity.
I tell covidiots, just to josh with them, that I’ve caught covid six or seven times, and now I have natural immunity, so they shouldn’t worry about hanging around me.
Hi debtsor, Yes, reinfection is not the same as breakthrough and there’s a fair amount of data on other coronaviruses (historical strains from the past) suggesting that reinfection rates could be low and could be associated with milder disease. Yes, antibodies aren’t everything and well done studies have shown impressive levels of memory B and T cells after vaccination. Immunity is a multi-variable question but, in certain circumstances, lower levels of antibodies after exposure may correspond to immune complementary capacity to prevent disease in the first place. For breakthrough ‘reinfections’, take a look at the NEJM study i included in… Read more »
“i see that you did not follow up with a rebuttal after you tried to misrepresent the findings of the Delta viral loads study comparing to March 2020 (different strain).” I didn’t misrepresent anything. I must have missed your rebuttal. the recent comments thingie only has the previous 10-15 comments so if a topic gets too old I just move on. As for studies, there are many studies with lots of findings. I am tangentially involved in medical research and I can tell you that every medical/bio scientist in march 2020 pivoted to covid-19 research because that’s where the money… Read more »
“our vaccines do not prevent infection or transmission in any meaningful way” That’s a reasonable hypothesis. But to repeat it doesn’t make it true. You have to demonstrate it. Unfortunately it is not supported by data and evidence. What is interesting is that the level of support for unsubstantiated hypotheses is quite tightly correlated to high covid disease transmission in the community. Your hypothesis of massive asymptomatic spread from the vaccinated group is so far-fetched (and bizarre) that one can suppose that it is used mostly to divide. Have you read Common Sense by Thomas Paine? Some say it was… Read more »
Carl, “not supported by data and evidence”? See this: this-is-not-a-pandemic-of-the-unvaccinated , among other places saying the same. I cannot say for certain what is true, but there is clearly more than enough evidence and scientific opinion to support a hypothesis. In fact, I’d suggest you and everybody take a full look at that Brownstone site. They are top-tier experts behind it. Their articles usually cite multiple studies supporting their positions.
The Brownstone Institute does provide many inputs that are worth looking into. It seems though that the site has a tendency to cherry-pick studies and anecdotal evidence and to heavily politicize issues. There are some red flags but it’s still worth taking a look. Vaccines do provide protection from disease and from severe disease and very likely do provide protection against transmission. Apologies but that where the data stands at this point, even if less so with variants, especially the Delta variant. Having said that, vaccinated individuals can still catch the disease and can still spread it, a situation that… Read more »
Carl, I will fully admit that I am long winded and often type three to four paragraphs at a time before getting to my salient point. However, I’m trying to follow your long posts. You ask a lot of rhetorical questions that I don’t know the answer to. You make a lot of assumptions about what the data would show or should show based on those rhetorical questions. Maybe I’m slow, and I have been a little sick lately, but I’m having trouble following you. But here’s the thing: I don’t need to review dozens of dated scientific literature from… Read more »
Furthermore, as Charlotte above touched on, how many vaccinated have been previously infected and have natural immunity? We know that reinfection is exceedingly rare, far more rare than breakthrough cases *, so of course it would be expected that breakthrough cases would be lower among vaccinated if they had been previously infected. Just from my own experience, every person but one, who caught coronavirus in 2020 or early 2021, got their double jabs despite being previously infected. * One study in Lombardy earlier this year showed 5 reinfections out of 1,579 people, and only one person was hospitalized, and none… Read more »
New piece from Harvard med prof pertinent to that. Note the conclusions at the end:
https://brownstone.org/articles/a-review-and-autopsy-of-two-covid-immunity-studies/
Thank you for this link it provided relevant info on this specific issue. I believe CDC made an informal national policy decision to not recognize natural immunity. I understand why: there (was) uncertainly as to long how natural immunity lasted; and from a logistical angle, it’s easier just to get everyone vaxxed – including Trumpers like me – and call it a day. But for an organization that is supposed to be totally about science, they’ve become awfully partisan lately, and terribly anti-science.
And here’s a new CDC piece that compiles their views on natural vs. vax immunity. Released on Friday but got little press. Note that it says they are about the same. This should be evidence before the courts that are looking at vax mandates, because it shows that naturally immune should be exempt. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/vaccine-induced-immunity.html#anchor_1635539757101
“At this time, there is no FDA-authorized or approved test that providers or the public can use to reliably determine whether a person is protected from infection.”
So despite plenty of studies showing that reinfection is exceedingly rare, the national policy is: “THREE JABS OR LOSE YOUR JOB”
because Quest hasn’t yet developed a good enough test to quantify it. Great.
The review of the two studies by Dr. Kulldorff is professional and interesting. However, the take-home message is that the two studies have relatively low value, certainly not enough, by themselves, to drive policy or individual decisions. It’s hard to get precise answers in an evolving and multivariable dynamic situation, especially since classic randomized trials are no longer an option. People have to fall back on various retrospective, case-negative and other observational designs. The major flaw in the Israeli study is the potential for massive confounding variables as a result of correlated health behaviors linked to the key underlying variables… Read more »
“The message: vaccine immunity has been waning but remains equal or superior to natural immunity (especially the mRNA vaccine). Also, evidence suggests that viral loads can be similar (comparing natural and vaccine-induced) but overall, vaccines have maintained an edge for transmission reduction potential. The study is well done and adds a relevant and significant data point in the overall evolving knowledge.” Some of these studies are simply not believable. Double vaxxed are catching corona right and left but reinfections are extremely rare. But Pfizer says it’s vaccine is superior, and even if their viral loads are the same as unvaxxed,… Read more »
OK. Let’s try something else. My wife went to her weekly soccer game a few days ago (indoors). One participant obviously displayed significant symptoms and signs pointing to a high possibility of infectious Covid spread. My wife is a daily caregiver for her parents (high risk), i still have some frontline healthcare exposure to people at high risk and our household is relatively large (and mobile). When politely asked about her participation, the other player essentially said that she didn’t believe ‘this’ at all (the virus, the vaccines, the health impact etc). Clearly, the risk to herself was very low.… Read more »
“One participant obviously displayed significant symptoms and signs pointing to a high possibility of infectious Covid spread.” Given the LOW positivity rates around the country, all signs point to a high possibility the person had a common cold. You can’t just say “Oh that person had covid.” My kids have been tested for corona many times to return to school after getting colds. Every time, negative test, it’s just a cold. That being said, it’s no longer socially acceptable to go into the world while sick with a cold. I’m OK with that. I don’t want to get a cold.… Read more »
Thanks for sharing your expertise on how to diagnose a common cold.
The person also joked about her loss of smell and taste and positive Covid PCRs are starting to creep up among her acquaintances. Like proving that the earth is not flat, it would be hard to prove the eventual disease burden brought about the tyranny of the ‘i know better’ philosophy of this individual.
i expect her to soon complain about breakthrough cases even if the Covid-19 virus does not exist.
You’re right on “5”. We’ve already touched on one: The vaccines appear to induce negative efficacy against infection. This probably arises from a combination of minimally symptomatic super-spreading among the vaccinated, the selective pressure that vaccine-elicited antibodies place upon the virus, and the narrow immunity against an obsolete arrangement of the spike protein that the vaccines confer. For a period of several weeks after dose 1 (and likely dose 3), they also make the vaccinated more susceptible to infection, and mass vaccination campaigns have induced case spikes across many countries.
https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/the-vaccines-cannot-do-what-is-asked
6 or 7 times make it twenty world record
Everyone needs to watch this, it takes time but worth it especially when he gets to the redacted pharma contracts. In America we can always move to a “free” state if our state goes communist. But in Europe you have nothing but your own country, cant move. This video is all one needs to know about the tyranny just around the corner. Watch it before it gets banned.
Watch: MEPs Protest “Oppressive” Vaccine Passports, Question Why “Political Elites Push This Agenda This Hard” | ZeroHedge
Europe has free movement between countries, the barrier is language…
Another thing going on is hospital ER’s are filling up with people complaining of severe abdominal pain, heart issues, blood clots, trouble breathing…
The *explanation* is that this is because of delayed treatments for other ailments due to the pandemic…
I suspect however, this could be the beginning of the vaccine side effects in those first vaccinated…
This may be of interest to you
https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/2/frontlinenews/immunization-expert-unvaccinated-people-are-not-dangerous-vaccinated-people-are-dangerous-for-others/
What are the criteria for your inputs?
-underlying facts?
-underlying interpretation?
-underlying credibility?
When the author of the video was sharing his opinions around mid-August, the hospital situation in the US (similar in Canadian provinces, other developed countries etc etc) was shown in the following graphs.
And the following…
And the following… Please note that, if you understand Simpsons’ paradox, you should also integrate the importance of adjusting the data for age, timing, risk factors etc in order to obtain more meaningful conclusions when, for example, comparing the vaccinated and the unvaccinated groups. Also note that, if vaccines were not significantly effective at limiting Delta transmission, you would expect an earlier and more significant rise in hospitalizations in the vaccinated group. The data shows the opposite so you can form your own conclusion. From a pure math point of view, during the rise in hospitalizations in both groups, since… Read more »
Carl,
Thank you for presenting these graphs as well as your explanation. The rate of infection for each group actually provides real world efficacy data while the percentage of breakthrough tells us absolutely nothing. The conspiracy theorists will hate them as no amount of data can convince these people. They prefer to gobble up the misleading data to feed their narrative. The people on the fence should definitely take note of your posts. Your comments continue to provide truth in a sea of misinformation.
PPF, once again you seem not to have read what you are commenting on. We flagged the very issue Carl raises. And as I told him, our real point with data is simpler, which is merely to point out that the number of breakthroughs is significant. If you think that’s “conspiracy theory” — the go-to ad hominem of the left — you should feel comfortable just reading the CDC and IDPH sites and nodding approvingly. We, however, believe in asking questions.
Once again Mark, you write the caveat that it would be best to factor in age and admit that you don’t have such data but yet you still present this data as if it means anything. Once again you are wrong. FYI, the conspiracy theorists that I was referring to was many of your commenters not your report. These people interpret your analysis as proof that the vaccine doesn’t work. The same people that tell you that it’s not a vaccine, or call them death jabs, or believe it’s all a conspiracy are the ones who love your analysis. Your… Read more »
Do you prefer we just say X per week? We are considering that, along with other options, any of which will be incomplete in any event because they don’t give us the data.
Carl, your point is valid as it relates to vaccine efficacy. We said just what you said, I think, in this column. But nobody provides the data to allow us to do what you suggest.
More important, there’s a much simpler point about the data as we have reported it. It’s merely that the number of breakthrough’s is significant, not trivial, and to be ignored as all the other IL press say and do.
I’m not following their arguments and I’m not sure what they even are trying to say. It is a fact that the vaccine loses efficacy. It’s also a fact that breakthrough cases, while still small compared to the unvaccinated cases, are rising quickly. It’s also a fact that the # of hospitalizations and deaths from covid-19 among fully vaccinated patients is rising quickly too. (a quick duckduckgo news search had numerous local articles confirming this). The vaccine works for about 6 months after the shot to reduce severity and hospitalization in high risk groups. It also reduces the already small… Read more »
OK, let’s try to bridge the gap here. -You’ve been saying that the virus will do its thing and that there’s isn’t much ‘we’ can do about it. -You’ve offered the opinion that breakthrough cases and related disease burden have been rising as a result of the vaccinated super-spreaders disseminating the Delta variant (‘massive asymptomatic spread’). Look at the graph comparing covid death rates (as a reliable proxy of population covid disease burden) between Canada and the US. The graph shows a lower covid disease burden with an improving comparative pattern with subsequent waves, especially since the Delta variant. i’m… Read more »
I still don’t understand your point and I’m trying as hard as possible to understand. The US has a higher death rate per 100k than Canada. But the trajectory waves look exactly the same to me. Maybe because the Canada has a healthier population? Peru, UK, then Romania, South Africa. Then I did states with spikes here and there. Some places have higher trends in recent months while others have lower. Now look at Russia (and don’t give me the roll of the eyes), it’s having the highest date rate now and highest number of cases now. Look at Israel,… Read more »
You go in many directions and yes immunity (any kind) will tend to wane over time and viruses come in waves… The underlying specific questions of this thread (significance of breakthrough cases) are: -Is it possible to achieve lower transmission (and so lower disease burden) in the community? -Are vaccines helping in that respect? To answer that question, looking at fundamentals is helpful and then the fundamentals need to be coherent with what is happening in the real world. When looking at the real world, putting tow similar countries side by side and then looking at diverging trends and differentiating… Read more »
Again, I’m not sure what your point is. I’m not against the vaccine and I never said it doesn’t work. I just don’t see the point of forcing mandates on a population that is 99.98% likely to survive the disease anyways. But I love the propaganda as background with the study “SARS-CoV-2 vaccines are highly effective at preventing COVID-19-related morbidity and mortality. As no vaccine is 100% effective, breakthrough infections are expected to occur.” That’s the first study I’ve seen that says that vaxxed people shed less infectious virus. Every other study I’ve seen said that vaxxed people have just… Read more »
i find the reciprocal exchanges fascinating and realize that the issue is not about biology.
i want to thank you though because i now understand better the US-Canada graph included in the post above.
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BTW, at this point, 30% of incremental covid cases in Canada are breakthrough cases. Does that mean the vaccinated super-spreader event is under way?
Does that mean the vaccinated super-spreader event is under way? Sure looks like it to me. Asymptomatic vaccinated out and about spreading it like wildfire and spreading it to the unvaccinated for a median of 21 days too. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3897733 Viral loads of breakthrough Delta variant infection cases were 251 times higher than those of cases infected with old strains detected between March-April 2020. Time from diagnosis to PCR negative was 8–33 days (median: 21). Neutralizing antibody levels after vaccination and at diagnosis of the cases were lower than those in the matched uninfected controls. There was no correlation between vaccine-induced… Read more »
OK let’s go from fundamentals to the big picture.. Fundamentals The study basically compares two groups, a retrospective group infected with the ancestral strain (at a time when vaccination had not started) and a contemporary group of breakthrough cases. Their findings show much higher viral loads in the recent group. In order to flesh out the effect of the different virus strain, it would be interesting to know how this important variable affected the viral load by itself. This answer is not known with precision but, depending on study and method, the Delta viral loads are typically higher (by a… Read more »
Freddy, holy crap. That’s huge if he is right.
But was he? Is he? Fundamentals: Here’s the data from France (his interview aired on Aug 17 2021), see picture below. Again, cases rise first in a significant way in the unvaccinated group and then.. Look at the situation on Aug 17th. Look at the FT data, comparing UK, Israel, US, Denmark and Romania (cases and deaths): Coronavirus chart: see how your country compares | Free to read | Financial Times (ft.com) The countries that have high vaccination coverage have seen an inverse and tightly correlated decoupling between covid cases and covid disease burden while lifting restrictions (both from an… Read more »
Carl, this comment of yours seems to be focused on the point that most evidence to date indicates that vaccinations reduce cases and, more importantly, bad outcomes. Yes, fine. But the point raised by the French doctor seems to be about what the impact of the vax is on transmission to others, which is a longer term issue. I have no idea if he is right, and I certainly don’t agree with his suggestion of quarantine. But I know he is not the first one to raise the issue of transmission by the vaccinated. Among other sources, see https://brownstone.org/articles/this-is-not-a-pandemic-of-the-unvaccinated/ In… Read more »
I ll get vaxxed right after Putzker and Allison Arwady lose 100lbs each,then i ll be more likely to take health advice from them,deal!?
Well over 85% of Covid deaths prior to the vaccine were in the same age group
Also, IDPH shows 52% of the “breakthrough” deaths are NOT people with underlying or immunocompromising conditions. That’s far lower than the 90% of all Covid deaths with comorbidities
Please provide these numbers with a “months since vaccination” coloration. And split out partially vaccinated from unvaccinated.
Please, read the articles before commenting or asking questions. As we said, nobody provides those numbers.
A new related study:
Latest Lancet Study Exposes Limits Of Vaccines At Preventing COVID Infection | ZeroHedge
I have a question though, I’ve never been able to find an answer to this… Do the vaccinated have any hope of their bodies being even able to acquire natural immunity, ever? Or are they now destined for a lifetime of boosters because the spike protein in them won’t allow their body to manufacture natural immunity to Covid? Or to put it another way, does a person with breakthrough Covid develop natural immunity or not from that point forward?
Alex Berenson linked to a UK study that showed vaccinated people with breakthrough cases have lower levels of antibodies after infection than unvaccinated but previous infected individuals.
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/urgent-covid-vaccines-will-keep-you/comments
Don’t take it from me, I don’t even get to tweet anymore.
Take it from a little place I call the British government. Which admitted today, in its newest vaccine surveillance report, that:
“N antibody levels appear to be lower in people who acquire infection following two doses of vaccination.” (Page 23)
My guess Lifetime of boosters. They will be required to have permanent IV bags to wheel around and they still will get Covid. Maybe those beer cans full of vaccine attached to caps at ballgames will work.
For animals all over the world, too, in which there is a huge reservoir of the virus: Go to the part under “Viral Reservoir.” https://brownstone.org/articles/your-booster-life-how-big-pharma-adopted-the-subscription-model-of-profitability/
The point of that Lancet study that seems most significant to me is that the vaccinated spread the virus just like the unvaccinated. That kills the main rationale for mandates. We wrote about the other evidence that earlier: https://wirepoints.org/the-big-new-question-with-vaccines-failing-to-reduce-covid-spread-whats-the-justification-for-mandates-wirepoints/. As to your question, which is key, I don’t know the answer and hope to see more research on it.
What I believe is the most important statistic, which is not reported anywhere, is reinfection rates. There’s only a handful of studies out there and there is mixed data. But places where covid ran rampant with lower vaccinations, like Sweden, FL, and many third world countries, appear to have achieved some level of the previously understood definition of herd immunity. But this is heresy to discuss in the scientific community and scientists who suggest this are apostates.
Yup. Here’s a good, further summary of that new study: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-28/getting-vaccinated-doesn-t-stop-people-from-spreading-delta
Amish have herd immunity. Everyone got virus and now they are fine. No vaccine or hospital.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/10/10/attkisson_how_amish_communities_became_the_first_to_acheive_herd_immunity_from_covid-19_in_may_2020.html#!
No, they were not.
Mark, have you found any sources that give detailed data on the vaxxed deaths? Would be helpful to see the age breakdown and any underlying conditions. I’m sure CDC and health authorities have this data, but I’m not sure if it’s published.
https://dph.illinois.gov/covid19/vaccine/vaccine-breakthrough.html
Of course the data is presented with the typical IL twist (ie breakthrough deaths are 0.011% of Fully Vaccinated Population!!!) but it shows that the breakthrough cases and deaths mostly elderly and those with commodities. Just as with unvaxxed. And breakthrough cases have been steadily increasing too.
Debtsor, correct, that’s very misleading.
Andrew, that is what this article is about. See the links we included.
The reason for so many breakthrough deaths are because of unvaccinated people,they are using their freedom to kill the vaccinated. As long as the vaccinated stay masked though they are safer. I say this in jest,but people out there believe it, I’ve already been uninvited for Thanksgiving
you are an idiot.
I am sorry, I just saw the last part of your comment. I am sorry, you are not an idiot.
Gov DeSantis looking like a genius because he followed true science.
Everyone needs to know where and how to get the antibody or ivermectin.
The vax may or may not work, we don’t know because the stats are still off. Obviously its not all it was claimed to be, remember the “cant get Covid, cant spread Covid” lie? Dying “with” Covid is much different than dying “from” Covid. Because hospitals and clinics have been handed a profit incentive for Covid deaths, everyone now dies “from” Covid. A ten year old could have predicted that. You could be 101 with lung cancer, a bum kidney, weigh 400 lbs, and have Covid, your death certificate will say Covid. Same situation with immunity the big pharma was… Read more »
Rick, one point I would quarrel with is your claim that the vax “may or may not work.” It clearly works to some degree, but how well is the question. I see no dissent among the experts on that. I also see no disagreement among experts that vaccination is clearly rational for the elderly and those in high risk groups.
The covid-19 vaccines don’t function like traditional vaccinations. That’s why they don’t work. The covid-19 vaccine is functionally the same as a flu shot. No one calls the flu shot a vaccine. They call it a pre-infection therapeutic in the hopes that it reduces the severity in the event of infection. From this perspective, the covid-19 shot seems to work pretty well to reduce severity of infections for one to six months after the covid-19 shot. It did reduce death in high risk groups but that’s clearly waning at people are getting third and fourth booster shots. But this is… Read more »
Many people are under the false impression that once fully vaccinated (whatever that means) that they are immune to getting Covid. The vaccine does not address the underlying issues that made you susceptible to getting a more severe form of the virus or getting the virus at all. Having a weak immune system from whatever reason needs to be addressed. Vitamin D/B complex/probiotics are needed. Fully vaccinated can transmit Delta to other vaccinated people and people are still dying from it. Address the underlying cause/build up your immune system. How many boosters are you willing to take and still not… Read more »
It’s very unfortunate that breakthrough cases are not widely reported because the average joe out there honestly believes that the vaccine protects them and all they need is a booster. I recently tried explaining to a relative that breakthroughs were common but she didn’t want to hear any of it and accused me of being a liar. She said it would be all over the news if breakthrough cases existed. I just laughed because it would make no sense for the news to push vaccination so hard at the same time reporting that yeah, the vaccine doesn’t stop you from… Read more »
At what point do we say the vax isn’t working? When will vaxers start taking ivermectin? Please place over/under bets on date. . .
Please see my answer above to Rick. To say that the vax isn’t working is simplistic and wrong.
The vax is working only in the sense that it reduces the likelihood of having severe covid symptoms for a limited period of time in people who are high risk. The vax doesn’t stop infection, illness, or transmission. It doesn’t appear to do much of anything for people who are not at risk for a severe case of covid and the evidence, as it looks now, doesn’t even reduce symptoms in non-severe cases. That’s what is so crazy about these mandates is that they literally do nothing for public safety because it does not reduce transmission, at all. It’s about… Read more »
That reduction of the risk of hospitalization and death is important. For a detailed look at all these issue generally in favor of the vax, see this from Mary Pat Campbell, an actuary we respect: https://marypatcampbell.substack.com/p/covid-and-simpsons-paradox-why-so
Once upon a time in the US, EUA approvals were limited to drug compounds that were truly intended to help people for whom no other remedy was available. Drugs approved via EUA were understood by recipients to carry very significant risks and unknown side effects but families were given access to these treatments when they believed they had no other hope to prevent death. In many circumstances, treatments were denied EUA for a variety of political reasons. For sure, EUA drugs were confined to small populations. In our current circumstance, there are other treatments available that are quite safe and… Read more »
“That reduction of the risk of hospitalization and death is important.”
Which is why it is completely insane to force my preschool aged children to take a therapeutic for a disease that already has a near zero risk of hospitalization and death.
“Clearly works to some degree.” ? To what degree? Does not prevent infection, does not prevent death. . .to what degree?
It might keep obese grandma off a vent if she catches CV a couple months after each jab or booster jab. Depends on how long after the jab she catches it.
The partially vaccinated should not be paired with the unvaccinated. There are many incidents of death following the first jab. How many deaths after the first jab were autopsied to determine the actual cause of death, such as blood clotting from the shot? Are those counted as covid deaths due to only partial vaccination? How low would the unvaccinated number be then?