AFSCME health benefits, wages out of sync with what Illinois taxpayers can afford – Illinois Policy

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Andrew Szakmary
9 years ago

It is typical of the bias exhibited on this site that the ariticle completely omits a crucial fact: that most people retiring from the state workforce today were hired prior to 1986 and thus are not Medicare eligible – because the state was too cheap to pay the 1.45% of salary employer portion of the payroll tax that pays for Medicare. Obviously, because the state, rather than the Feds, must now pay for these folks medical care in retirement, they are currently costing the state a lot of money, but that is because they cost the state less than they… Read more »

Advocate
9 years ago
Reply to  Mark Glennon

Votes have consequences and Voters have accountability for the policies of thier elected representatives. No do-overs no take backs. We all got…what we paid for with our votes over the years of our lives.

I remember Prof. Szakmary telling how the state budget could be ballanced. And listing the hows and wheres of the tax increases that would get the job done. I remember that well.

J.A. Herzrent
9 years ago
Reply to  Advocate

A state legislature that didn’t understand the consequences of its laws (or understood the consequences but didn’t care about them) remains unable to print money or to repeal the laws of economics. Likely this ignorance or care-less-ness will result in future pension and health benefit cuts for public employees both active and retired. The question which we are then likely to face (once the cuts actually become reality) is whether these public servants will accept the consequences and tighten their belts or will they instead move to disrupting public order and safety and exacerbate the economic disruption they have already… Read more »

Advocate
9 years ago
Reply to  Mark Glennon

Civil order is very important to us all. Quality Civil servants, on the other hand, apparently arround here, are not. Unless they are apparently willing to accept much less in pay, then thier fathers who, worked before them. Come work for us- do the same job as your father- for far less pay and benifits. Thats gonna bring in some really good servants to maintain order ya think? If they can accept a further weakening of the middle class. If they can accept continuing downward pressure on thier wages and benifits…then they are the kind of civil servants we like.… Read more »

Advocate
9 years ago
Reply to  Advocate

Then besides the wage and benifit cut….ya wonder if ya whack their earned and CONSTITUTIONALLY PROMISED AND PROTECTED PENSIONS….ya actually steal from the police themselves…and ya really expect someone to put thier life on the line and provide the same level of protection to the same society that stole from what was promised. Funny and strange thing is I know personally several very proffesional officers who would do so…but many I suspect would not.

J.A. Herzrent
9 years ago
Reply to  Advocate

Theft is the “taking” of property. Breach of contract is not theft. Contracts are breached every day when one of the parties to the contract is unable to perform what it promised. If that party is broke, then the creditor does not collect the full amount. Careless use of words that have settled meanings is simply a strategem of a debater who is unable to make his point through facts and rational argument. Before this is over (and it WILL end badly) the partisans of good sense will be called nazis, racists and a lot of other names. Public employees… Read more »

Advocate
9 years ago
Reply to  J.A. Herzrent

Well said J.A.! There is way too much hyperbole used by many of us on this sight me included. A concession I might be alone making…but there it is. Pension Theft is a loaded term used mostly by those on the left. It doesnt help the conversationI could have used a better termno doubt. Forgive me as the context of the term theft was how a cop would feel who is asked to work for a society that demands they work at wages and benifits than thier father’s did, then gets there pension wacked, then is asked to tend to… Read more »

J.A. Herzrent
9 years ago
Reply to  Advocate

I’ve often wondered if it can be blamed on us lawyers who have been taught to believe that the adversary system is a time-honored method of arriving at truth or justice. Thomas Jefferson and John Adams spent quite a few years calling each other names before resuming cordial communications … with Abagail’s encouragement. One understands that financial and health security are among the core concerns of individuals, particularly those who provided long service in reliance on that security. No thoughtful person should be surprised when anger results from a credible challenge to that security. Insofar as all roads seem to… Read more »

J.A. Herzrent
9 years ago
Reply to  Mark Glennon

To clarify: The public funds of Illinois and its political subdivisions are finite. Perhaps not so with the federal government and its power to issue currency. “Funds” connotes legal tender one can spend — which the credit markets often have something to say about. Pension funds are even more finite, as we are learning. Fred Klonsky “just looks at the data” but that’s a data point that seems to escape his notice. “Wait Wait …” is one of Chicago’s better exports when it comes to public radio and it’s nice to know (on a weekly basis) that folks there haven’t… Read more »

Advocate
9 years ago
Reply to  J.A. Herzrent

Well I agree in theory.
Problem is our politicians on all sides created(not Rauner) and made such a horrific mess …who else but the laywers to “clean” it up? Who?

Btw. Your eloquence demonstrated in paragraph 2, one understands…was quite a contrast to the discriptive language of taking foods out of mouths ;allthewhile, arrieving at the same destination.

nixit71
9 years ago
Reply to  Advocate

Where’s the concern for the private sector middle class? Use coupons? Don’t care about those factory workers then. Did you pay full list for your house? Don’t care about those local real estate agents. Pay full MSRP for your car and major appliances? If not, you don’t care about your local merchants, mechanics, factory laborers, and town services that rely on that sales tax revenue. And I certainly hope those are American products. Public sector worker tipping less than 25%? My issue is that public sector folks want special treatment for themselves then turn around and do the opposite when… Read more »

Rick
9 years ago

Not to mention that all of those unaffordable benefits are constitutionally protected. And reductions in resources are contractually protected, prevailing wage, inability to fire anyone, etc. Either you keep increasing the total percentage of taxpayer money going to these benefits until the people notice. Or you tax the crap out of people until they notice. Or you wait till the bond market cuts us off until people notice. Most residents are still clueless about how money flows in Illinois. There is a lot of pent up potential for reform once the masses get educated.

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