Chicago’s Big Pension Gamble – Wall Street Journal*

image Chicago government-worker pensions are massively under-funded. So in typical Chicago-land fashion, the City Council is betting on casino revenue to plug the pension gap. Do taxpayers and workers feel lucky? If Chicago’s casino and pension bet fails, Illinois Democrats may next look to U.S. taxpayers to bail them out.
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Poor Taxpayer
1 year ago

The question should be are the underfunded or are they overly generous?
Social Security pays much, much less and the private sector worker works till age 67.
Many, I mean many government pensions pay well over $100,000 per year and at very young ages. All pay for by honest hard work of taxpayers. If they were paid by performance, they would only get a welfare check.

Stewie the Roof Baby
1 year ago
Reply to  Poor Taxpayer

They are outrageously, immorally, unsustainably generous

Pat S.
1 year ago
Reply to  Poor Taxpayer

The social security benefit was never designed to provide a full retirement – it’s designed to augment retirement savings.

I can’t imagine surviving on the 2023 gross average annual benefit of $21,924 – deduct Medicare Part B premiums of around $2,000, whatever supplement insurance you can afford, a modest rent, utilities doesn’t leave much to pay for food, Medicare co-pays, etc.

So any one considering retirement solely on social security benefits should think again.

Where's Mine ???
1 year ago

maybe I’m an idiot, but does city police & fire pensions have actual written contract with city that 100% casino profits go to their pensions? or what is the actual agreement city has with pensions?

Last edited 1 year ago by Where's Mine ???
Poor Taxpayer
1 year ago

Note lots of casino players are spending money that should be spent on their families. The cops, teachers and firemen do not give a damn that your kids have nothing as long as the get their luxury home in Punta Gorda, Fl.

The Paraclete
1 year ago

Invest in Crypto or Pokemon Cards

Fullbladder
1 year ago

Just print-up a bunch of money and hand it out; what could go wrong?

nixit
1 year ago

Why not just hand over casino ownership rights to the pension funds directly? Pension funds own real estate developments all over the world. Let them run some casinos. They already have a client base with disposable income and nothing to do.

Poor Taxpayer
1 year ago

This is the Chitty of Chicago’s way of saying “Time to move”. Lots more people will flee the Chitt hole it has become. Let PPF stay and pay all the taxes, he deserves them.

Poor Taxpayer
1 year ago

Just default on the pensions and let the courts deal with it. The courts can order the money to be paid, but the courts cannot order money to appear. I guess the cops will have to buy luxury condos in Punta Gorda, fl. instead of luxury single family homes. They will have to forgo the big boat and luxury cars, maybe only go out to dinner 4 times a week instead of 7. The pensions are far too generous and need to be cut down to the same level as the hard-working taxpayer get. Let PPF eat his own young… Read more »

Pensions Paid First
1 year ago
Reply to  Poor Taxpayer

No thanks. I’ll just take my new boat out to the Gulf and make sure I’m back in time for dinner. Tomahawk steaks (prime only not that choice stuff) and seafood followed up by some great wine. I think tonight I’ll be drinking Opus One. Celebrate that annual increase for pensions. An extra 8 grand. It’s a little rough with inflation but I also have a solid private portfolio parked at Fidelity. Don’t be too concerned.

ProzacPlease
1 year ago

Thanks for the info. You’ve shown us the only thing that public unions have done successfully – line their own pockets.

Last edited 1 year ago by ProzacPlease
Pensions Paid First
1 year ago
Reply to  ProzacPlease

Successful at many things. Planning for retirement and fiscal responsibility has always been apart of my life. I get that makes others who aren’t fiscally responsible jealous, but such is life.

Maybe hold your elected officials accountable so that they set aside enough money to pay the debts. Don’t blame the people that you hired for their services. They merely traded their labor while the voters allowed money to be diverted to other causes. Stop playing the victim and start paying more in taxes PP.

willowglen
1 year ago

Where would you raise taxes? Or is that the legislators’ responsibility and you are just deflecting from the virtually intractable challenge? The most straightforward path is property taxes. But material increases are really not viable given the already heavy tax burden on middle class property owners. Pass more regressive taxes? Pritzker has engineered quite a few. What is the saturation point? Grind lower middle people into misery? Income taxes? Without a progressive tax scheme, increases are again politically challenging. This isn’t about your own financial picture – it is about long term viability. A few years back some young researchers… Read more »

Stewie the Roof Baby
1 year ago
Reply to  willowglen

These scum don’t care where the money comes from. They want to take insulin from Black children with diabetes for their own personal profit

Poor Taxpayer
1 year ago

PPF you are my favorite person on this blog. You tell it like it is, “shut up and pay your taxes”. He may be telling everyone the truth, Punta Gorda, Fl has more cops than the Chitty of Chicago ever had. They live the good live, luxury homes, luxury cars and nice boats. They go out to eat many times a week to lunch and dinner.
Weather today, Jan 4, 69 sunny high 80 sunny. All on the taxpayer’s dollar.

Tom Paine's Ghost
1 year ago

So says the criminal co-conspirator. The RICO statutes certainly apply to the Illinois politicians and the public sector union members of Illinois.

Stewie the Roof Baby
1 year ago
Reply to  Poor Taxpayer

Spot on! Don’t pay the parasite’s pensions. The lazy bums won’t be able to do anything about it

Stewie the Roof Baby
1 year ago

I thought the lottery, or legalized pot was going to close the financial gap.

Doug
1 year ago

No but it has helped increase crime. Which is damaging economic development.

Old Joe
1 year ago

US taxpayers need to make it clear to their reps in congress that bailing out failed Dem cities with their money is not gonna happen.

Republicans need to take a page out Jerry Fords NYC bailout book.

Pensions Paid First
1 year ago
Reply to  Old Joe

The same Gerald Ford that stated the city still has the “capacity to prevent default through through additional budget cuts and more taxes”. Ford also signed the NYC Financing Act of 1975. Ford provided 3 year financing in return for higher taxes on city services and cutting back the number of people and pay providing those services. So what Ford really supported was more taxes and less services. I’ve been advocating that plan as well. I’m glad to hear that you are finally embracing fewer services and more taxes. Maybe start with increasing Bowmanville property taxes. That seems like a… Read more »

Goodgulf Greyteeth
1 year ago

And what services are you in favor of cutting while taxes are increased?

Pensions Paid First
1 year ago

Why don’t we start with the Universal Basic Income program.

Old Joe
1 year ago

Happy New Year PPF, You’re correct in the sense that dr Ford bounced the ball right back into NYC’s court. That formula for Chicago is still better than bankrupting the whole country to “solve” blue state fiscal irresponsibility. You may turn out to prescient on the trajectory of Bowmanville property taxes too. Mine are doubling now at a every 9 years rate. However, history shows that a societal boat never half sinks and former public employees such as yourself may be impared when enough of us geezers are gone. A new tax season is starting and you should really get… Read more »

Pensions Paid First
1 year ago
Reply to  Old Joe

No side hustle needed and I have no concerns about you paying your fair share. The Illinois Department of Revenue and elected politicians are on the case. Not to mention Cook County to get those Bowmanville taxes. I’m curious Old Joe. Why did you leave failing Detroit to only move to another progressive city like Chicago? It seems like you want all the benefits of a large city without paying the costs. Chicago has historically been undercharging their residents when it comes to the services they offer compared to the revenue they collect. Surely an educated engineer like yourself knew… Read more »

Former Illinois Wimp
1 year ago

 I’m curious Old Joe. Why did you leave failing Detroit to only move to another progressive city like Chicago?

That’s actually a good question. I’m also curious.

Old Joe
1 year ago

When I left Detroit was already gone but Chicago wasn’t.

Goodgulf Greyteeth
1 year ago

It’s almost like a rotation on the WSJ’s Opinion Page anymore – every week, at least once, one of them will get a “can you believe how foolish this state is” mention among the editorial board’s editorials every week. California, New York and Illinois. Taxes, crime, unfunded pensions, poor schools, population loss, unemployment, poor government service, decaying infrastructure, Orwellian wokeness of one sort or another – and the columns are so easy to write. I mean, honestly, how hard is it to illuminate something new that Springfield or Chicago has done, that’s shockingly stupid, once every third week? Particularly to… Read more »

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Pat S.
1 year ago

But Illinois had a float in the Rose Bowl parade!

Doesn’t that count for something? No?

I didn’t think so either.

Goodgulf Greyteeth
1 year ago
Reply to  Pat S.

Well, it got Illinois on network TV. I even found a picture –

Illinois Float.jpeg
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mmack
1 year ago

RAMMING SPEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wally
1 year ago

Problem is, as Wirepoints has pointed out, most Chicago/IL residents only pay attention to local media, like the Trib and Times, which have become apologists for the Dems and progressives. They don’t read the WSJ or other national media (or Wirepoints) that describe the financial cliff that IL, CA, NY is on.

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