Illinois chipped away at its long-term obligations in fiscal 2022 with healthy tax revenue growth and federal funds allowing the state to halt a decade long dive deep into negative territory, according to a recently published interim audit.
Yep, billions of dollars in federal Covid relief funds, ultimately used pretty much however IL wanted, tends to make IL’s financial picture not quite so gloomy. What will happen now that the federal flow of money has drastically slowed? No need to answer; we all know what will happen: higher taxes and fees atop already ridiculously high taxes and fees.
Poor Taxpayer
3 years ago
Buying Illinois bonds is like burning your money in a fireplace.
Illinois cannot survive with its current pension liabilities. Not possible, raise taxes and lose population which actually nets less money. This ship is sinking, only people that will survive are one that have left.
Pensions Paid First
3 years ago
“The state needs to find a way pay down the pension liabilities. Reform doesn’t come easy for the state and the longer they wait the worse the problem will get,” Ciccarone said.The state faces a tough path to any pension or retiree healthcare reforms with limited options beyond pouring more funding into the system because the state constitution bans benefit cuts. Pouring more funding into the system is the only legal “reform”. The fiscally prudent should be demanding that the massive increase in tax revenue should be plowed into the pension funds until we get to an actuarial level. Every… Read more »
Is Mendoza’s HB 5851 bill the answer to your dreams? It will setup triggered payments but not revenue source? and then in a year or two when all the $fed covid stimulus$ is spent and tax revenues return to normal or worse with no more QE, then taxpayer will be forced to swallow a tax increase or make a run for the border (like rabbits)? and you wont suffer
Pensioners will be the last to suffer. So before one cent is cut from pensioners you’ll see more tax increases. Income tax increases, property tax increases, implementing service taxes, eventually a progressive tax and perhaps a real estate transfer tax to get tax revenue one last time from people leaving the state. That’s just the taxes. Along the way you will see a few cuts but before it ever gets to cutting any pensions you’ll see massive cuts in government employees and their pay. Take a look at New York City in the 70’s when it was on the verge… Read more »
the Mendoza’s HB 5851 Bill would set up the locked in payment plan (triggers)without the tax funding source? which would be forced to follow? correct? I think Martwick has proposed similar bills
I do not think many understand that situation. Because of that today people in Illinois are spending more money on things they are not entitled to…but try mentioning that to others.
PPF, tell us what taxes you would raise, and in what numbers, that would adequately fund the pensions.
Where's Mine ???
3 years ago
Looks like passing Mendoza’s 5851 bill will be next priority for the machine now that they are 100% in control.—“Mendoza will press in the upcoming regular legislative session for passage of House Bill 5851 that puts in place additional triggers for future automatic deposits in both the pension and budget stabilization funds.”
How on earth could both pensions and OPEBs have improved so much? Stocks were clobbered that fiscal year, and why would OPEBs improve by $10B? Net result is big improvement in Net Position. Supposedly. We will wait for the full, final audited report to come out then dig in.
A largely unasked question is becoming glaring: Is Illinois doing all it should to use artificial intelligence to make government cost less and work better? So far, the evidence says no.
Yep, billions of dollars in federal Covid relief funds, ultimately used pretty much however IL wanted, tends to make IL’s financial picture not quite so gloomy. What will happen now that the federal flow of money has drastically slowed? No need to answer; we all know what will happen: higher taxes and fees atop already ridiculously high taxes and fees.
Buying Illinois bonds is like burning your money in a fireplace.
Illinois cannot survive with its current pension liabilities. Not possible, raise taxes and lose population which actually nets less money. This ship is sinking, only people that will survive are one that have left.
“The state needs to find a way pay down the pension liabilities. Reform doesn’t come easy for the state and the longer they wait the worse the problem will get,” Ciccarone said.The state faces a tough path to any pension or retiree healthcare reforms with limited options beyond pouring more funding into the system because the state constitution bans benefit cuts. Pouring more funding into the system is the only legal “reform”. The fiscally prudent should be demanding that the massive increase in tax revenue should be plowed into the pension funds until we get to an actuarial level. Every… Read more »
Is Mendoza’s HB 5851 bill the answer to your dreams? It will setup triggered payments but not revenue source? and then in a year or two when all the $fed covid stimulus$ is spent and tax revenues return to normal or worse with no more QE, then taxpayer will be forced to swallow a tax increase or make a run for the border (like rabbits)? and you wont suffer
Pensioners will be the last to suffer. So before one cent is cut from pensioners you’ll see more tax increases. Income tax increases, property tax increases, implementing service taxes, eventually a progressive tax and perhaps a real estate transfer tax to get tax revenue one last time from people leaving the state. That’s just the taxes. Along the way you will see a few cuts but before it ever gets to cutting any pensions you’ll see massive cuts in government employees and their pay. Take a look at New York City in the 70’s when it was on the verge… Read more »
Oh, I forgot, eventually the state will be forced to tax retirement income.
Plenty of taxes for the state to collect. Currently political will stops that but eventually it will have no choice.
the Mendoza’s HB 5851 Bill would set up the locked in payment plan (triggers)without the tax funding source? which would be forced to follow? correct? I think Martwick has proposed similar bills
I do not think many understand that situation. Because of that today people in Illinois are spending more money on things they are not entitled to…but try mentioning that to others.
PPF, tell us what taxes you would raise, and in what numbers, that would adequately fund the pensions.
Looks like passing Mendoza’s 5851 bill will be next priority for the machine now that they are 100% in control.—“Mendoza will press in the upcoming regular legislative session for passage of House Bill 5851 that puts in place additional triggers for future automatic deposits in both the pension and budget stabilization funds.”
Public unions pull the puppet strings of our lawmakers, so why not?
How on earth could both pensions and OPEBs have improved so much? Stocks were clobbered that fiscal year, and why would OPEBs improve by $10B? Net result is big improvement in Net Position. Supposedly. We will wait for the full, final audited report to come out then dig in.
Looks like FTX math to me.