Walking out on students has become a go-to strategy for many affiliates of the Illinois Federation of Teachers and the Illinois Education Association, the two biggest teachers unions in Illinois. Earlier this school year, Valley View Council Local 604, an affiliate of IFT, set a Sept. 18 strike date but reached a tentative agreement before walking out. The Naperville Unit Education Association, an affiliate of IEA, voted to authorize a strike but reached a tentative contract agreement one day later.
It varies from person to person and place to place just as it does for every other work site. Contrary to popular opinion one size or description never fits all.
Of course nothing applies 100% to everyone in any group. That doesn’t mean we therefore cannot make observations about a group in general. The social sciences study group behavoir. It’s how we learn about cultures, economics, history.
Okay, but that seems to be be case if the argument would have started with “some.” Otherwise the impression is that it’s a universal statement, isn’t it? If the writer meant it to apply in some cases surely he would have stated it so. If you or he deny it I’d have to think you are back-pedaling simply to defend the undefendable.
Every statement must be preceded with the qualifier “some”, even though that’s already understood as I explained? In fact, I believe I have stipulated to that in previous comments to avoid this issue.
Am I defending the indefensible, or are you just being defensive?
Hopefully you will agree that any person’s set of acquaintances is limit. Consequently any such person only really has personal knowledge of them to varying degrees. To caste a net over a larger group not even personally known and assuming with that limited knowledge the larger group is the same is not going to instill a lot of confidence when hearing or reading that person’s judgment. Hopefully a person with an open mind would do little of that, realizing his inadequacies. So, to you and to anyone else “shooting from the lip” about people you clearly don’t know personally do… Read more »
James, I’ll wait for you to jump in and object strongly the next time PPF says this is what the voters want. How dare he say that? He doesn’t know all the voters!
You’re right. All he knows is what counts. He need not be so concerned about the rest. Those people need to be the ones that “count” as well or give up thinking the Dems care.
As a reference point for negotiating, a teachers’ union in a given district checks overly generous contracts recently received by members in nearby districts. That’s why teacher pay and benefits in Illinois continue to spiral out of control, or at least beyond the increases workers in the private sector get.
Call my shrink
8 months ago
I will NEVER understand how teachers contracts come up during the school term. How about we sign them June 10th to June 10th from now on. They can picket on vacation
You’re making way too much sense of it—from an outsider’s point of view. But, what you advocate has no immediate-solution advocacy as part of it whereas it takes on that aura once the school year has started. Timing pressure is part of the process if it’s done well from the strikers’ perspective.
You choose not to understand. I’ll explain it to you but I’m guessing you will continue to choose to NEVER understand. The teachers in Tinley Park District 146 had their contract expire on July 31st. Negotiations for these contracts started months in advance of the expiration. If they don’t reach an agreement by July 31st, they continue to try to negotiate after expiration and before kids are back at school. If both sides harden their position in the negotiation, it will continue as a stalemate through the rest of summer and remain that way until the first day of school.… Read more »
It wouldn’t matter. They don’t wait until the contract expires to start negotiations. They wouldn’t have more time. Maybe you don’t understand because you are refusing to understand?
A largely unasked question is becoming glaring: Is Illinois doing all it should to use artificial intelligence to make government cost less and work better? So far, the evidence says no.
Teachers care about money, benefits and pensions. Education is at the bottom of the list.
It varies from person to person and place to place just as it does for every other work site. Contrary to popular opinion one size or description never fits all.
Of course nothing applies 100% to everyone in any group. That doesn’t mean we therefore cannot make observations about a group in general. The social sciences study group behavoir. It’s how we learn about cultures, economics, history.
Okay, but that seems to be be case if the argument would have started with “some.” Otherwise the impression is that it’s a universal statement, isn’t it? If the writer meant it to apply in some cases surely he would have stated it so. If you or he deny it I’d have to think you are back-pedaling simply to defend the undefendable.
Every statement must be preceded with the qualifier “some”, even though that’s already understood as I explained? In fact, I believe I have stipulated to that in previous comments to avoid this issue.
Am I defending the indefensible, or are you just being defensive?
Hopefully you will agree that any person’s set of acquaintances is limit. Consequently any such person only really has personal knowledge of them to varying degrees. To caste a net over a larger group not even personally known and assuming with that limited knowledge the larger group is the same is not going to instill a lot of confidence when hearing or reading that person’s judgment. Hopefully a person with an open mind would do little of that, realizing his inadequacies. So, to you and to anyone else “shooting from the lip” about people you clearly don’t know personally do… Read more »
James, I’ll wait for you to jump in and object strongly the next time PPF says this is what the voters want. How dare he say that? He doesn’t know all the voters!
I’ll wait, but I won’t be holding my breath
You’re right. All he knows is what counts. He need not be so concerned about the rest. Those people need to be the ones that “count” as well or give up thinking the Dems care.
We know what counts too- test scores.
Immaterial. The witness is excused.
You are sadly only demonstrating why the schools are in such pathetic shape.
And I’m sure you are one of the good ones, which makes it even more pathetic.
Irrelevant. You are now risking detention.
As a reference point for negotiating, a teachers’ union in a given district checks overly generous contracts recently received by members in nearby districts. That’s why teacher pay and benefits in Illinois continue to spiral out of control, or at least beyond the increases workers in the private sector get.
I will NEVER understand how teachers contracts come up during the school term. How about we sign them June 10th to June 10th from now on. They can picket on vacation
You’re making way too much sense of it—from an outsider’s point of view. But, what you advocate has no immediate-solution advocacy as part of it whereas it takes on that aura once the school year has started. Timing pressure is part of the process if it’s done well from the strikers’ perspective.
Oh I understand. What i can’t figure out is why the contracts ending date isn’t made for June. Automatically give teachers the advantage
You choose not to understand. I’ll explain it to you but I’m guessing you will continue to choose to NEVER understand. The teachers in Tinley Park District 146 had their contract expire on July 31st. Negotiations for these contracts started months in advance of the expiration. If they don’t reach an agreement by July 31st, they continue to try to negotiate after expiration and before kids are back at school. If both sides harden their position in the negotiation, it will continue as a stalemate through the rest of summer and remain that way until the first day of school.… Read more »
July 31st. 3 weeks before school starts. June 10th would be 2 months. More time to talk. Less time to strike
It wouldn’t matter. They don’t wait until the contract expires to start negotiations. They wouldn’t have more time. Maybe you don’t understand because you are refusing to understand?