Why No Discussion Of COVID Treatments In Illinois? – Updated – Wirepoints

By: Mark Glennon*

Reported COVID cases are surging in Illinois and many hospitals are severely overburdened, so Gov. JB Pritzker and Illinois Department of Public Health Director Ngoze Ezike held a press conference Monday.

It was overwhelmingly devoted to vaccines and masks, to the exclusion of all else. Get vaccinated, boosted and wear a mask, they said over and over again. Vaccines and boosters, they said, are the key to lowering the burden on hospitals, avoiding the need for hospitals to shift to a crisis standard of care and reducing the risk of hospitalization and death.

But the subject of treatments was almost entirely ignored. None of the reporters’ questions addressed treatments.

That omission is baffling. Timely use of the right treatments for those infected unquestionably would reduce the number of deaths and hospitalizations. Prompt treatment, however, is essential, and that message is not being delivered.

The safety and effectiveness of various treatments are now well-established and the number of available options is growing. The effectiveness of monoclonal antibody treatments for the Delta variant, which is still the primary source of serious hospitalizations and deaths, has been known for over a year. Even Dr. Anthony Fauci acknowledged that, belatedly, in August, saying that the treatments can reduce the risk of COVID-19 hospitalization or death by 70% to 85%. Aside from antibody treatments, a new pill from Pfizer recently authorized reportedly decreases the risk of hospitalization and death from the virus by nearly 90%. A pill from Merck received authorization, though it’s not as effective as Pfizer’s. Some other treatments appropriate in certain circumstances were authorized earlier.

But the only mention of treatment in the Monday news conference was this, from Pritzker:  “We are also increasing testing and continuing to distribute monoclonal antibodies, anti-viral pills and any treatments or personal protective equipment communities need.” That told us nothing.

The first question that should have been asked is why the state isn’t warning those at risk to ask their doctors quickly about treatments after they know they have the virus?

Pfizer’s new pill has only proven effective if given within five days of symptoms appearing. Experts worry it may be unrealistic for patients to self-diagnose, get tested, see a physician and pick up a prescription within that narrow window, as reported often. Antibody treatments are also supposed to be given as soon as possible. Why is government not broadcasting that?

Other questions the state should be pushing out answers to should be obvious, especially in light of complexities raised by the new Omicron variant and new treatments. And standard tests do not tell you which variant you are infected with.

For example, aren’t the antibody treatments still of value, even though only one of those on the market (GlaxoSmithKline’s sotrovimab) is effective against Omicron? Some treatments are in short supply and are being rationed. Which ones are available and for whom? Which treatments are available only at hospitals and how does one get them? What are the drug interaction risks for the new treatments? Issues have arisen for those taking widely used statins, blood thinners and even anti-depressants.

Regarding that last question, the best answer appears to be that those at risk should contact their doctors fast after an infection to get the right treatment. That message, however, is not being delivered. Look at IDPH’s web page on what to do if you are infected. It is not there.

We’ve speculated before about why the State of Illinois and federal health authorities seem to deliberately ignore the topic of treatments. They seem hell-bent on sticking to a doctrine that “we always prefer prevention over treatment,” as Ezike has stated it. Hence, they have been two-trick ponies since the start – vaccines and masks.

That doctrine may make sense as a general epidemiological rule, but it certainly does not seem adequate at this time for COVID. None of this is to imply that vaccines don’t significantly reduce the chances of hospitalization or death. They do, vaccines save lives, and that’s something experts agree on, but that’s no excuse for ignoring how those who nevertheless get infected should get treated.

*Mark Glennon is founder of Wirepoints.

UPDATE: Another remedy not initially mentioned in this column is Fluvoxamine. As the Wall Street Journal says in the article below, it is being overlooked. Because this is important, I am taking the liberty of reprinting their article on it below:

Is Fluvoxamine the Covid Drug We’ve Been Waiting For?

A 10-day treatment costs only $4 and appears to greatly reduce symptoms, hospitalization and death.

By Allysia Finley Follow Dec. 28, 2021 6:44 pm ET

The Food and Drug Administration last week authorized two oral antiviral medicines for the early treatment of Covid-19. But don’t get too excited. The U.S. will still have a meager treatment arsenal this winter.

The U.S. has been relying on monoclonal-antibody treatments, but most don’t hold up against the Omicron variant. One, by GlaxoSmithKline and Vir Biotechnology, does better at neutralizing the variant, but supply is limited. Pfizer’s newly authorized antiviral pack Paxlovid will also have to be rationed. There will be more of Merck and Ridgeback Biotherapeutics’ newly authorized antiviral, molnupiravir, but patients may be reluctant to take the drug. Some scientists worry it could cause DNA mutations in people, though the FDA determined that the likelihood of this was low when used on a short-term basis.

Yet a promising alternative isn’t getting its due: fluvoxamine, a pill the FDA approved in 1994 to treat obsessive-compulsive disorders. Doctors often prescribe it off-label for anxiety, depression and panic attacks. Studies show that fluvoxamine is highly effective at preventing hospitalization in Covid-infected patients, and it’s unlikely to be blunted by Omicron.

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Doctors hypothesize that fluvoxamine can trigger a cascade of reactions in cells that modulate inflammation and interfere with virus functions. It could thus prevent an overreactive immune response to pathogens—what’s known as a cytokine storm—that can lead to organ failure and death. It also increases nighttime levels of melatonin—the hormone that makes you sleepy—which evidence suggests can also mitigate inflammation.

 

While experimenting with mice in 2019, researchers at the University of Virginia discovered that fluvoxamine could be an effective

treatment for sepsis, or blood-borne infection. A large study in France during the early months of the pandemic found that Covid-19 patients treated with selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors such as fluvoxamine were significantly less likely to be intubated or to die.

A small randomized control trial last year by psychiatrists at the Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis was a spectacular success: None of the 80 participants who started fluvoxamine within seven days of developing symptoms deteriorated. In the placebo group, six of the 72 patients got worse, and four were hospitalized. The results were published in November 2020 in the Journal of the American Medical Association and inspired a real-world experiment.

Soon after the study was published, there was a Covid outbreak among employees at the Golden Gate Fields horse racing track in Berkeley, Calif. The physician at the track offered fluvoxamine to workers. After 14 days, none of the 65 patients who took it were hospitalized or still had symptoms. Of the 48 who didn’t take the drug, six, or 12.5%, were hospitalized and one died. Twenty-nine had lingering symptoms, which might have resulted from inflammatory damage to their organs. Those who took the placebo were more likely to be asymptomatic when they tested positive, so they would have been expected to fare better.

The studies drew the attention of Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health. “A big need right now is for a drug that you could take by mouth, that you could be offered as soon as you had a positive test, and that would reduce the likelihood that the virus is going to make you really sick,” he said in an interview with “60 Minutes” in March. “Fluvoxamine could certainly be something you want to put in the tool chest,” Dr. Collins added. “It looks as if it has the promise to reduce the likelihood of severe illness.”

Researchers at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, last winter launched a large clinical trial in Brazil. The results from their trial, published in the Lancet in October, were stunning: Fluvoxamine reduced the odds of hospitalization or emergency care by 66% and death by 90% among unvaccinated high-risk patients who mostly followed the treatment regimen—comparable to monoclonal antibodies. There was no difference in adverse effects between the fluvoxamine and placebo groups.

The three fluvoxamine trials were conducted while different variants were circulating, so there’s no reason to think the drug wouldn’t work as well against Omicron. A 10-day course of fluvoxamine costs $4, compared with the $2,100 the U.S. government has been paying for monoclonal antibodies, and $530 to $700 for a course of the Pfizer and Merck treatments. Multiple drugmakers manufacture fluvoxamine and could ramp up supply without much difficulty were demand to increase.

While the FDA doesn’t need to grant fluvoxamine emergency-use authorization for doctors to prescribe it, some may be reluctant to do so unless the NIH recommends it in its Covid-19 treatment guidelines. Physicians have been investigated by state medical boards for prescribing the antiparasite ivermectin off-label for Covid-19.

The NIH states that “there is insufficient evidence . . . to recommend either for or against the use of fluvoxamine for the treatment of COVID-19.” It wants evidence from another large clinical trial. Yet the U.S. is recording nearly as many deaths from Covid-19 today as when Dr. Collins made his statement in March. If the NIH doesn’t budge, states could enact laws that protect doctors who prescribe fluvoxamine, They could also order doses to administer to patients, which would cost little but could save many lives.

Ms. Finley is a member of the Journal’s editorial board. Appeared in the December 29, 2021, print edition.

 

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TDG
2 years ago

I’m 67. I have always believed in the information I received from our major health institutions. My blind faith in the AMA, CDC, WHO, FDA, countless Drs. and others has evaporated in the last two years.

This country is corrupt to the bone. A major cleanup, on both sides of the aisle, is necessary.
I pray my countrymen vote for liberty.

Susan
2 years ago

In order to understand the murderous, obscenely lucrative corruption behind Federal or State governments’ secretive allocation policies relative to COVID-19 treatments, one needs to understand the unbelievable fact of GBOs which are granted essential monopoly control and allowed rare special exemption to accept kickbacks. GBOs hold control over all healthcare supply provision in America, and they are protected from prosecution or even scrutiny. There has been a national crisis (shortages of cancer and other drugs and common hospital medical supplies) for over a decade, related to Group Buying Organizations. GBOs or GPOs are granted a special exemption (safe harbor) from… Read more »

Wilmette
2 years ago

Why No Discussion Of NATURAL IMMUNITY In Illinois?
Equally as baffling.

susan
2 years ago

For information purposes only:

The novel new Pfizer pill for COVID: Paxlovid is a combo of existing drug ritonavir (a protease inhibitor used for HIV) and nirmatrelvir (a novel chemical formerly called PF-07321332 which attacks SARS-CoV-2 main protease).

https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-8436-1138/ritonavir-oral/ritonavir-oral/details
https://cen.acs.org/acs-news/acs-meeting-news/Pfizer-unveils-oral-SARS-CoV/99/i13

Platinum Goose
2 years ago

One word why there’s no mention of treatment – Fauci. There’s no money in it for big pharma using off patent medications.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/kim-iversen-fauci-aids-epidemic-covid-vaccines-profits/

susan
2 years ago

Here is a link to infusions centers, with interactive map.
Big website disclaimers: they may or may not have mabs (REGEN, Sotrovimab, Bamlanivimab) available at any given time.

https://covid.infusioncenter.org/

susan
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark Glennon

for info purposes only:
according to NIH https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/immunomodulators/fluvoxamine/#:~:text=Fluvoxamine%20is%20a%20selective%20serotonin,the%20treatment%20of%20any%20infection.

“Fluvoxamine is a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) that is approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for the treatment of obsessive-compulsive disorder and is used for other conditions, including depression. Fluvoxamine is not FDA-approved for the treatment of any infection.”

link to text of published study at Lancet:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(21)00448-4/fulltext

debtsor
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark Glennon

Prozac.

Rick
2 years ago

Vaccines have failed. The vaccine destroys your immune system for life. It doesn’t protect you. It doesn’t protect others. It wears off fast and needs endless boosters that further pollute your immune system with totally artificial bioengineered proteins. It has heart and blood clot issues. Blood banks are learning now they need unvaxed donors. The inventor of mRna engineering warned them. The vax was totally untested, it is being tested now, on the humans that fell for Fauci’s lies and promises. The vaccine was used as a political weapon, that was it’s real value, propaganda. “Pandemic of the unvaxed” remember… Read more »

Matilda
2 years ago

Are hospitals still incentivized to diagnose patients with Covid? It’s criminal because early treatments do help. God protect the Doctors brave enough to honor their Oath.

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/hospital-death-camps-exposed/article_97776276-674f-11ec-85d0-f33f634331c8.html

Illinois Entrepreneur
2 years ago

I just recently contracted Covid (over the weekend). I immediately messaged my primary care doctor, and asked him what I should do. I did this within one hour of my positive test, which came after a negative test the day before. I was literally at the very beginning of the infection. I have read and heard from many *alternate* media sources that early detection and treatment is the absolute key to success in beating this virus. I asked my doctor about monoclonal antibodies and how to get it. My doctor’s response was absolutely dismaying. He’s at Northwestern, and he essentially… Read more »

Freddy
2 years ago

Here’s some info https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7395818/ Daily RDA of zinc is 11mg but most supplements are 25 or 50 mg. You can try 25 mg twice a day for just a few days then one a day for a few days. You will get a slight metallic taste. Check out side effects. I get my zinc at the vitamin shoppe and they may have some elderberry and zinc lozenges (11mg) but may have to be ordered. I have read that you can take 100 mg for a few days but you need to be pretty sick. Don’t take too much. They should… Read more »

Illinois Entrepreneur
2 years ago
Reply to  Freddy

Thanks Freddy. I’ve actually been taking zinc, D, C and a multi supplement for a couple months now. It’s probably why I’m not feeling much, but I did this on my own, not with the advice of a doctor.

debtsor
2 years ago

IIRC an estimated 15% of cases turn into pneumonia by days 7-10…and a small chance from there that the pneumonia affects your O2 saturation levels which requires hospitalization. That’s why so few get hospitalized. The goal of early treatment is primarily to prevent your case from going into your lungs, and if it does, from getting so bad you can’t breathe. Those people are mostly the high risk patients; but, as you hear in the news, there’s already the random case of the 30 year old double vaxxed guy or the 42 year old broadway star, etc etc. It’s criminal… Read more »

Illinois Entrepreneur
2 years ago
Reply to  debtsor

Thanks for providing this information. It is helpful, and I always like reading your posts.

debtsor
2 years ago

Thanks. I ramble on a bit, your posts are far more concise and informative!

Wilmette
2 years ago

If you’ve been taking those supplements and you are in good health, you have already reduced your odds of severe symptoms or death greater any vaxx could provide (and with zero long term side effects). Get plenty of sleep and water too.

I still don’t trust the antibody treatment (if there are concerns over long term effects for the vaxx, that should apply to the MAB — that’s how I look at it anyway).

Wilmette
2 years ago

Yes and add quercetin if you can, that’s harder to find on short notice but you could amazon overnight it if necessary.

Rob
2 years ago
Reply to  Freddy

Zinc alone does not work, you need something to go with it. This article is helpful https://www.avivahealth.com/blogs/articles/ionophores

Freddy
2 years ago
Reply to  Rob

Thanks-Great info. I take some quercetin along with probiotics from various sources. Multi strain probiotics and prebiotics work well but can cause a little bloating and gas for a week or so until gut microbiome replenishes. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7972717/ What burns me up the most is all the things we mentioned cannot be used because the FDA has not approved them and hospitals and staff are stuck with only “approved” treatments. At home we can use what we want and that’s probably keeps us from going to the hospital as long as we do a little research. Going to a hospital today… Read more »

debtsor
2 years ago

It’s crazy, isn’t it? Some places still offer the monoclonal antibodies but only to people who are moderate high risk. A relative of mine caught the wuhan (At the strip mall!) and went to ER. This relative has a high BMI and got the Regeneron shots (not the IV drip) within 2 days of testing positive and had the pnuemonia already. But that’s the only treatment they offered. This relative is currently at home popping tylenol, with a 100 fever, sweating all night. Just think about what Aaron Rodgers and Joe Rogan got within a day or two of testing… Read more »

Illinois Entrepreneur
2 years ago
Reply to  debtsor

Right on the money.

Our public officials and institutional leaders deserve every bit of scorn that we can heap on them.

Matilda
2 years ago

What you are experiencing is unconscionable, I am so sorry. Perhaps Senator Johnson will gain support for early treatments
https://mobile.twitter.com/SenRonJohnson/status/1475981229472288770?s=20

FYI great resource for finding Drs
https://earlycovidcare.org/

Freddy
2 years ago

This should help since many just take B12 but a B-complex works better.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7428453/
I also get some supplements at http://www.bioinnovations.net. Dr. Richard Becker a cancer survivor started that company after his cancer diagnosis and has a show called “Your Health” with Dr. Richard Becker. I find the quality is much better than most. He has a very good book on overall health called Foundations for Healing plus 50% off for another week which helps. Seriously finding that show approx 16 years ago changed my life.

Rick
2 years ago

Your doctor is an a-hole. Avoid the hospital, go to an urgent care clinic to get monoclonal infusion. Then go to a non MD doctor to get Ivermectin. It works. My wife and I are unvaxed, monoclonal literally cured us in 24 hours, and it gave us immunity. We got it side by side in chairs with our IV’s.

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Carl
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark Glennon

Then, in your opinion, what is or what are the alternatives, in this specific situation, based on evidence.
‘Alternative’ thinking is interesting (and complaining may be good for user loyalty/engagement) but isn’t there some kind of responsibility to propose a superior alternative?

Carl
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark Glennon

So, Get covid “infected” —–) get Regeneron ?? Is that a cost-effective and evidence-based opinion ?? “The government should have invested” is the same argument used when federal debt is issued to partially bail-out state pension funds. When forgetting that resources are limited, people are tempted to propose ‘obvious’ solutions. Drugs and treatments coming to markets is the result of an imperfect process that can be improved but allowing anything to anyone at anytime is “clearly” an efficient way to waste precious resources. US health expenditures to GDP is reaching 20% (!) and it’s a mystery as to why people… Read more »

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debtsor
2 years ago
Reply to  Carl

There has been a lot of research into per-hospitalization treatments from countries all around the world and most of it is in the English language. Most researchers and scientists around the world turned into covid-19 researchers overnight. I’m not a scientist, or a doctor, but surely there are other treatments available in other countries with lower mortality rates than the US. For example, here is a study from Bangladesh showing the virus cleared faster with Ivermectin. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/ Now I’m not an ivermectin hater or believer. I follow the science where it leads to. But because politics in IL, masks and… Read more »

debtsor
2 years ago
Reply to  debtsor

https://www.wsaw.com/2021/12/28/johns-hopkins-research-shows-convalescent-plasma-treatment-outpatient-setting-reduces-covid-hospitalizations/ Johns Hopkins research shows convalescent plasma treatment in outpatient setting reduces covid hospitalizations Wis. (WBAY) – As hospitals across Wisconsin reach capacity, researchers at Johns Hopkins University say the FDA should consider using convalescent plasma as an outpatient treatment to free up beds. The use of plasma to treat infections is not a new therapy. The treatment received Emergency Use Authorization from the FDA early in the pandemic to treat in-patient covid-19 infections in a hospital. A panel of six researchers from Johns Hopkins set out to find if a convalescent plasma treatment outside a hospital setting would still… Read more »

Carl
2 years ago
Reply to  debtsor

The use of convalescent plasma is supported by evidence in certain circumstances but -it’s not clear if the effectiveness has persisted with the new variant -many people ‘allergic’ to vaccines are likely ‘allergic’ to manufactured antibodies -it is such a low cost-efficient tool compared to vaccines —– Speaking of wasting time, i’d suggest to listen to the following in order to focus on real issues. Listen to Lacy Hunt who has an interesting take on sustainability and resiliency in the US (topics: debt, government size etc). Illinois is even mentioned around minute 40 as an example.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb2z6FqF_4c&ab_channel=DanielleDiMartinoBooth —– As an… Read more »

Carl
2 years ago
Reply to  debtsor

“But because politics in IL, masks and vaccines are the only two treatments we have available.” This statement appears incorrect. The US (and IL) has been using alternatives (unproven-type and insufficiently supported by evidence-type) more than anywhere else in the world and this is one of the factors behind the much poorer disease burden ‘performance’. Even for alternatives with some evidence support like antibody treatments (‘cocktails’ or more specific), the US (and IL) has been using these treatment options at a high multiple compared to anywhere else in the developed world. {i remember the time (1990s) when the US (as… Read more »

debtsor
2 years ago
Reply to  Carl

Monocolonal antibodies only available, IIRC, for people with high risk. For regular people, there are NO early treatments for covid to try and reduce severity. A mild case of covid-19 for an otherwise healthy person under 55 can be up to 14 days of fever, with body chills, aches, diarrhea, loss of taste and smell, night sweats, etc. The standard of care is pain medicine and sleep. You’re telling me that there’s nothing, no medicine or treatment (other than vaccines or regen for high risk) that can shorten the length of time for symptoms, or reduce the chances of seriuos… Read more »

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Carl
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark Glennon

There was a time when i thought this ‘movement’ could be a way forward. The renaissance will have to come from elsewhere.
The rise and fall of rationality in language | PNAS
The general fall in coherence has become a bipartisan thing.

Rick
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark Glennon

Good doctor. Regeneron is the only treatment to come out of all this that actually has proof of working!

Fur
2 years ago

Is this a re-infection?

Illinois Entrepreneur
2 years ago
Reply to  Fur

Nope. It’s my first time. I am vaxxed with the Pfizer shot.

Fur
2 years ago

Oh gotcha. Was curious all. Feel better!

Susan
2 years ago

Your epiphany leading to cynicism and contempt is incomplete until you include the realization that some political class insiders may be able to obtain treatments which are withheld from you and your loved ones, and without medically supportable reasons. channel indignation productively. Find a way to insist that covid treatment distribution algorithms be made public. I would say the most effective way to invite media scrutiny is to imply that the algorithms are racist ( that maybe disproportionate distribution is skewed toward certain demographics). Then, pressure must be applied to medical professionals to deny txt to politically connected line jumpers,… Read more »

Pete Johlie
2 years ago

Based on this anecdote and the creep on WGN at 1:30 (forget his stupid name),
Northwestern doctors do not know SHIT about treating people for covid
They DO NOT WANT TO HELP
Shun them

Ralph
2 years ago

I’ve got a very similar story of a doctor treating a patient like this: Person was VERY sick, it took them 3 days before their doctor even returned their phone call. Once they got the doc on the phone, the general advice was “call me if you have trouble breathing, otherwise there’s nothing we can do. If it gets real bad before you can reach me, go to the E.R.” So essentially, once you’ve already advanced to the point of hospitalization, then the full force of our best Western Medicine can kick in…… Which was Remdesivir (doesn’t work and causes… Read more »

Aaron
2 years ago

They ignore it because in order to justify eua for an illegal vax there can be no prophylactic

Freddy
2 years ago

Even Dr Oz is throwing his hat into the ring and speaking against Fauci. The only narrative with Fauci is vaccines like humans all of a sudden lost their own immune systems.
https://www.fastrope.com/dr-oz-quits-show-runs-for-senate-to-hold-fauci-accountable/

Thee Jabroni
2 years ago
Reply to  Freddy

Fauci is a complete hack,liar,scumbag,and every other deragatory name you can think of!-kinda like Putzker,Lighfoot,Pelosi and so on.I wouldnt trust idiot Fauci to run a lemonade stand

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LessonLearned
2 years ago

This week is my 1 year anniversary of leaving Illinois. No regrets. The wife and I got the Pfizer shots last April and have had no covid symptoms despite not wearing masks. Our new house has gone up 20% in value. Taxes on my $270,000 home are $2,000. Car insurance and home insurance are also a little less than Illinois. No state income tax. Sales tax about the same as Illinois. Better weather. Better football team. Thank God for states like Tennessee. All you Illinois complainers are welcome to come join us. You know you will eventually so why not… Read more »

Riverbender
2 years ago

Every time I see Ngoze Ezike I wonder why there is no born and raised Illinois doctor in her slot? Is it possible that Illinois educated individuals won’t to the Pritzker line as he demands?

Fauci Fraud
2 years ago

Mark, what do you think the answer is to the question you pose? Because the “vaccines save lives” battle cry is something the autocrats have maintained at any cost and I suspect as long as conservative normies like yourself reinforce it, you should expect no change in regards to discussion about therapeutics. Regarding the Martin Kulldorf article in your link, he misses the forest for the trees. While he recognizes the limited efficacy of the jabs (“while the protection against infection and disease wanes a few months after vaccination”) and the disparate impact of china virus on the young vs… Read more »

Aaron
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark Glennon

Mark, leaky vaccines are not legal.

Fauci Fraud
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark Glennon

I appreciate the exchange, Mark. You call it a narrative. I call it pointing out reality. Yes, I’m specific about words because, as you point out, leftists have a long history of conditioning society through language. That must be countered with truthful language grounded in reality. “Safe and effective”, “vaccines save lives”, “diversity is our strength”, “black lives matter”. All intended to divert attention from the true source of problems and toward their “solution”. How many times has the CDC changed the historical, science based definition of “vaccine” in the past year to suit its purpose? You ask about someone… Read more »

debtsor
2 years ago
Reply to  Fauci Fraud

“Why is the jab their only solution?” Because the politics and voters of most liberal democracies around the world have collectively decided to exclusive use the bluntest tools in the toolbox – vaccines and masks. If Democrats (and their ideological counterparts throughout the western world) were clammoring for treatments and therapeutics, we’d have them. But a quick twitter search of the most prominent, and loudest, voices in the room (and most of the white house staff) shows that Democrats (and their ideological counterparts) all believe – naively – that the vax is safe and effective…they either don’t know or care… Read more »

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Illinois Entrepreneur
2 years ago
Reply to  debtsor

I completely agree with you, debtsor.

Rick
2 years ago
Reply to  Fauci Fraud

A gift is being handed to mankind as we speak, its called omnicron. A harmless form of the virus that imparts strong natural immunity. The “exit” from covid is for as many people as possible to get omnicron. The virus will then have nowhere to go, it will have to settle into being endemic, but harmless, like a cold. But no, powers will still push to use this non-vaccine-vaccine as a method to quash omicron. They will attempt to kill the goose that lays the Golden egg.

Fauci Fraud
2 years ago
Reply to  Rick

That is true and in a just world would be a way out of this problem and reason for the authoritarians in the West to loosen the reigns on the masses.

But we do not live in a just world. People must take back the power they’ve ceded over the last 22 months.

Rick
2 years ago
Reply to  Fauci Fraud

Trying to vaccine their way out of omnicron will only cause it to mutate. The offramp from this highway to hell is here, it’s omnicron, people need to embrace it. Remember as a kid when your mom sent you to a chicken pox party? Not much different. We needed a harmless variant of Delta, and here it is.

Dale
2 years ago
Reply to  Rick

Right on the mark Rick! Couldn’t have said it any better! Basic science that they refuse to follow

debtsor
2 years ago
Reply to  Fauci Fraud

I know what you’re referring to but you can’t take Alex B. and Steve K.’s substacks as absolute apriori truth. It may be true, and it may be false. Any honest, non-agenda driven person will admit (and admittedly there are few) is that the vaccine is an effective, but extremely blunt tool to control the pandemic, but it’s certainly one of best tools we have now. There are a variety of reasons why vaxxes are the primary tool (as mark discussed) we have and it’s mostly political, as the democrat controlled federal government (and it’s democrat gov’s throughout the country)… Read more »

Fauci Fraud
2 years ago
Reply to  debtsor

Thanks for the thoughts, debtsor.

I’ve seen some of your other posts. You’re certainly more forgiving the I am.

What you attribute to stupidity I attribute to malice.

I’ll offer this.

Name one significant policy decision (incl COVID related) since Biden regime took power that worked in favor of the average US citizen and didn’t concentrate power and influence into fewer hands.

When every decision works against you it’s no longer best explained by stupidity or coincidence.

The best explanation for what’s happening is that it’s intentional.

debtsor
2 years ago
Reply to  Fauci Fraud

If by fewer hands, you mean complete democrat control of everything, well, Democrats do control the entire federal government, and they are using the power afforded to them by the constitution. This is to be expected. As for incompetence, the list is long. The most recent is Kamala the VP saying out loud without first preparing “we didn’t expect the Omicron variant”. As a VP preparing for interviews, you carefully craft every word, prepare for every question, and rehearse every answer. She went into that interview unprepared and was winging it. Why? The likely answer is that she’s engaged in… Read more »

Fauci Fraud
2 years ago
Reply to  debtsor

You’re kinda proving my point, debtsor. Everything they do works against the welfare of US and the average citizen. Everything. Is this guy incompetent? We’re not even a generation removed from the Holocaust and here’s a Jew, no less, calling for the government to punish people on the basis of their lack of adherence to government orthodoxy. Is the good Dr. incompetent when it comes to understanding who can catch and spread china virus? Not too long ago he was a top policy advisor shaping national healthcare strategy and legislation. People like him run this regime. It sure as hell… Read more »

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debtsor
2 years ago
Reply to  Fauci Fraud

Hanlon’s razor is the adage that you should “never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity”. Applied broadly, this principle suggests that when assessing people’s actions, you should not assume that they acted out of a desire to cause harm, as long as there is a reasonable alternative explanation.

Heyjude
2 years ago
Reply to  Fauci Fraud

We are all familiar with Eisenhower’s warning about the power of the military-industrial complex. The next section of that farewell speech:

“Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite. The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded.”

We should have paid more attention.

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Gary Stevens
2 years ago

My father in law got the vaccine and died two days later. I wonder if the vaccine may not be helpful for those older people that tend to die from it the most.

Joey Zamboni
2 years ago

We have been under an indoor mask mandate for months now…

So, if masks work so good…

Why the surge in cases…?

Over & over its *mask – vax – boost*…

Yet nothing changes or improves…

It’s quite obvious that the IDPH’s protocols are based in insanity…

debtsor
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark Glennon

That Realtor screaming at the 80 year old unmasked guy on the Delta flight is why we have mask mandates. People like her support Biden (and Democrat policies) more than everyone else and Dems are pandering to that Democrat. These people in Springfield, sit around and read polls, and make decisions based upon that. That woman on the plane is a fairly typical suburban Democrat voter with the irrational belief (and it’s a belief, not a fact) that general masking reduces the transmission of coronavirus. Even though most studies show that masks does not. There are a couple of those… Read more »

Fed up neighbor
2 years ago

Pritzker did make sure to tell everyone at his coronavirus news about all things a balanced budget, what a phonie Pritzker and Ezike are.

NoHope4Illinois
2 years ago

Pritzker – Take your blue pill and shut up!

Got Bobby Kennedy’s book for Xmas – what an eye opener into the the Federal Govt – Big Pharma industrial complex. No different than the military-industrial complex. Kennedy says main reason to jab kids is for Big Pharma to get complete legal immunity, i.e. can’t ever be sued for causing injury.

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Riverbender
2 years ago

It is a really good read and I won’t elaborate other than suggesting that everyone read it.

Carl
2 years ago

This scenario underlines three mutually incompatible priorities. It’s not possible to have simultaneously: – a right to refuse the most cost-effective medical treatment in favor of a less cost-effective option – equality of outcome – efficiency Ultimately, lower efficiency leads to a more unequal outcome. At least that’s what the millennial history of rising and falling powers show. Becoming an over-indebted economy has meant an ability to continue to keep one’s cake and to eat it too but, if left unconstrained, this approach will lead to the top suggesting to let ‘them’ eat cake and then people will figure out… Read more »

Aaron
2 years ago
Reply to  Carl

Huh?

Aaron
2 years ago
Reply to  Carl

Hey Carl, what do you say to those that believe the vax make people more likely to become infected with sarscov2?

Rick
2 years ago
Reply to  Aaron

Since August the majority of cases have been in the vaccinated. Today the majority scrambling for tests are vaccinated. Hospital cases are mostly the vaccinated. The vaccine is simply not a vaccine, it isn’t even a good therapeutic, its kind of like an aerosol flat tire fixer. Makes things easier, but you still need a new tire and the tire you squirted the aerosol into will forever be a crappy tire, ruined. There is no research on how this mRna destroys your immune system or body. Yet the most anti GMO people seem to be the ones willing to submit… Read more »

Aaron
2 years ago
Reply to  Rick

Negative efficacy after 90 days. What is eventually necessary, an IV drip 24/7? Seriously? Also, leaky vaccines are not legal.

Rick
2 years ago
Reply to  Aaron

To add, the stat that matters the most is death rate. More people have died under Biden after the invention of the vax than when there was no vax. Numbers don’t lie.

Carl
2 years ago
Reply to  Rick

You’re entitled to have opinions but you’re not entitled to your own facts.
The data you provide is simply wrong.
There are costs to this line of thinking.
Unvaccinated COVID-19 hospitalizations cost billions of dollars – Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker
Again if you feel or believe that covid vaccines or sound scientific knowledge is not for you, that’s OK.
An approach requiring more a survival-of-the-fittest attitude could also be entertained.
Otherwise, the conclusions and approach make no sense.
The basic inputs are available. It’s either that you can’t comprehend or that you don’t want to.

Rob
2 years ago
Reply to  Carl

Carl, your link is simply cherry-picked data – the summer, pre-omicron period. A offense just as bad as that of which you accuse Rick.

Carl
2 years ago
Reply to  Rob

No, the data is evolving but it’s still the same underlying trends.
Omicron appears to be slightly to moderately less virulent but is much more transmissible. The community transmission is still massively within the sub-groups with less available immunity but the ‘vulnerables’ end up getting it in correlation to the levels of community spread.
In my area, plans are presently put in place to let covid+ frontline healthcare workers stay on the job which is kind of perplexing in our ‘modern’ society and my guess is that Illinois is not far behind.

Aaron
2 years ago
Reply to  Carl

Negative efficacy after 90 days Carl. Leaky vaccines not legal Carl.

Rick
2 years ago

They are intentionally ignoring the fact that they are doing nothing for families that choose to not get vaccinated. A giant 40 percent hole in their plan approximately.

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jane
2 years ago
Reply to  Rick

You want them to DO something for you? I want them to leave me alone.

debtsor
2 years ago
Reply to  Rick

That giant hole was not a bug, it’s a feature, based upon the faulty assumption that most unvaccinated are somehow Trumpers, and they get what they deserve. If you don’t believe this can be true, then you’re not paying attention to the increasingly hostile Democrat administration that calls trump supporters all white supremacists, calls them domestic terrorists, threatened to use the Patriot act against parents speaking at school boards, is currently purging the military of anyone who is a conservative, flies the BLM and gay rights flag at our embassies around the world, especially in conservative and religious countries, to… Read more »

Susan
2 years ago

Evidently the distribution of the new treatment pills will begin with the sole discretion of Illinois department of health or Illinois government (Pritzker, under emergency executive rule).
It would be fair to ask what is the distribution algorithm.

https://www.foxla.com/news/covid-19-treatment-pill-when-will-it-be-available-and-where-will-it-be-available

Susan
2 years ago
Reply to  Susan

Here is a map where federal government sent mab shipments.

It would be valuable to obtain information about corrupt distribution or withholding of these txts, so that appropriate criminal or civil penalties may be sought against bad actors.

https://protect-public.hhs.gov/pages/therapeutics-distribution

susan
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark Glennon

Would you consider putting up an ‘available treatments’ reference page for Illinois? It would be a quick handy contact info reference for people newly ill. Also, it might be a place to collect anecdotal evidence of mab misallocation/withholding/preferential treatment/price gouging by the single point of distribution that is the Illinois government. It should be demanded, at the very least, that every barcoded dose is tracked and that if the rigorous well-defined algorithm of distribution is violated, the administering medical professional will be criminally prosecuted (as they are, more vigorously than violent felons in Chicago, for odd civil breaches which threaten… Read more »

susan
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark Glennon

I understand.
Nevertheless, if you put up an ‘info only’ page, similar to your COVID stats page, containing only .gov or idph contact numbers such as the links I posted…. you may get real human comments as to whether the government-posted contact info was: obtainable, accurate, transparent as to ‘who-is-allowed”, arbitrary as to availability…
THAT is the data which NOBODY is collecting.
If not ‘us’, then whom?

susan
2 years ago
Reply to  Mark Glennon

I have now been on hold 3/4 hour at .gov phone number given to obtain info as to mabs distribution. Does Illinois have a tracking system/algorithm for allocations of mab in case of shortages? is it a racist algorithm? (HIPAA privacy protection is shot full of holes by vax status disclosures, so this life-or-death mab txt allocation-by-facility info should not be HIPAA protected). here is IDPH posted info: The current model for distributing mAb in the country is HHS allocates quantity of mAb to each state. In Illinois, IDPH is tasked with allocating those available doses around the state to… Read more »

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Freddy
2 years ago
Reply to  susan

Susan- Here is a treatment option. I have no idea on the validity of this protocol.
https://stateofthenation.co/?p=19630
The key seems to be to catch it and treat it early by using the inhaled steroid (Budesonide)/ antibiotic (Clarithromycin)/81mg aspirin and zinc. Look more into Dr. Richard Bartlett. Problem is how to find a hospital or doctor that is willing to try. There is some discussion but falls on deaf ears.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rand-paul-pins-blame-thousands-122359533.html

susan
2 years ago
Reply to  Freddy

Here is synopsis of standard of care related to steroids, from nih: Last Updated: December 16, 2021 Multiple randomized trials indicate that systemic corticosteroid therapy improves clinical outcomes and reduces mortality in hospitalized patients with COVID-19 who require supplemental oxygen,1 presumably by mitigating the COVID-19-induced systemic inflammatory response that can lead to lung injury and multisystem organ dysfunction. There is no observed benefit of systemic corticosteroids in hospitalized patients with COVID-19 who do not require supplemental oxygen.2 The COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel’s (the Panel) recommendations for the use of corticosteroids in hospitalized patients with COVID-19 are based on results from these clinical trials… Read more »

Freddy
2 years ago
Reply to  susan

Here’s an interview with Dr. Peter McCoullough and in the video he mentions Remdesiver starting at minute 10:30.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dr-peter-mccullough-tells-joe-rogan-society-is-in-a-covid-psychosis/
Curious on your thoughts since that is being used in hospitals now but seems to cause lots of problems if used incorrectly.

Wilmette
2 years ago
Reply to  Freddy

Hospitals are paid more to use remdesiver. And it’s effectiveness is terrible.

susan
2 years ago
Reply to  Freddy

Most docs (prescribers) are now hospitalists or in large group practices (not independent) and so must follow a ‘standard of care’ guideline handed down from, typically, third party payment actuaries. Docs are prosecuted harshly, can lose licenses and livelihoods, if they dare to ‘buck the system’. Exceptions may be for the political class who are able to obtain preferential treatment. I have no illusions about bucking the system and getting appropriate txt for me and mine, but by golly I want to document those instances when the political class (and their mistresses, and their sons-in-laws’ dogwalkers) get treated outside the… Read more »

Taxpaying Citizen
2 years ago
Reply to  susan

Besides insurance companies ‘standardized care guidelines’ interference with doctors autonomy to treat their patients based on their medical knowledge and experience; the mammoth elephant in the room is all that Pharma money floating around in hospitals, through ‘funded’ research, Grants, clinical drug study trials and Chairs funded by the pharmaceutical companies and/or generous pharma donors on the hospital board of directors. For the most part, doctors were herded into the medical industrial complex and are afraid to buck Pharma’s official narrative and risk losing research grants, hospital wings and Chairs. This is why these hospital complexes are gagging doctors with… Read more »

Rick
2 years ago
Reply to  Susan

Just driving now I heard an ad on the radio. Merck is recruiting non vaccinated volunteers for this pill study. Specifically non vaccinated volunteers. Like hell I’d volunteer, not after all the lies so far. Also the blood donation place I go to is calling me for blood. Apparently there is demand for non vaccinated blood. Maybe us deplorables will finally get some respect the next time a vaxed person needs pure blood!

Wilmette
2 years ago
Reply to  Rick

couldn’t pay me a million dollars to do that study

Susan
2 years ago

Apparently one need to be 65+, or have a qualifying comorbid condition in order to obtain moniclonal antibody treatment in Illinois.

https://dph.illinois.gov/covid19/community-guidance/monoclonal-antibody-treatment.html

Ex Illini
2 years ago

Remember JB’s mantra 21 months ago? He said it daily at his captivating press conferences. The restrictions would be removed when we had three things. Vaccines, effective treatments and contact tracing were what we needed. We have all three, even though the contact tracing has always been an ineffective and expensive waste of time. Yet we find ourselves facing even more restrictions. Other states have moved on from the pandemic, but not self destructive Illinois. The local media is complicit in the charade. The first 10 minutes of the nightly news is dedicated to stories about vaccines (get your booster!),… Read more »

Thee Jabroni
2 years ago
Reply to  Ex Illini

Exactly why i NEVER watch any local news anymore,tired of the first 15 minutes of news about Covid,covid,covid,covid-the sky is falling,the sky is falling,people need to get a freaking grip and stop being so ignorant and cowardly

KJ
2 years ago

This article is the first to question treatment in 22 months.

I had Covid, and here is what I’ve learned. Stay hydrated and just water isn’t going to do it. Asprin is superior versus Tylenol and Advil. You will not sleep off Covid, please move every few hours. Vitamin D and Zinc helped in my recovery after my infection.

If you are afraid of Covid ask your Doctor how much Vitamin D you should take.

Rick
2 years ago
Reply to  KJ

I’m not vaccinated and had Delta, good advice. Fortunately my wife and I didn’t go to the hospital, an urgent care facility gave us regeneron, it worked in 24 hours. A hospital would have stripped us of all rights and dumped us into “the protocol”, maybe to get worse. Our other doctor gave us Ivermectin to finish out the recovery. Florida is focusing on these treatments, obviously the numbers prove they are doing it right. Now we are trying to get omnicron, but have not been successful yet at catching it. Omnicron is the gift from God to get everyone… Read more »

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Joey Zamboni
2 years ago
Reply to  Rick

Maybe the reason you are not getting omicron is because of your natural immunity from delta…?

Wilmette
2 years ago
Reply to  Rick

Once you get Covid (and you are not vaxxed), you are almost certainly NOT getting it again. Just like you can’t get chicken pox twice.

debtsor
2 years ago
Reply to  KJ

The primary goal of therapeutics and treatment is to prevent the covid from causing covid-19 pneumonia. That’s estimated to be 15% of all covid-19 cases. The pneumonia is the cause of most hospitalizations, severe cases and deaths (yes, for a small number of patients it spreads everywhere causing all kinds of problems). Over the counter medicines will not stop coronavirus from infiltrating your lungs and spreading through your lower lungs, causing inflammation and mucus from filling the sick patient’s lungs with fluid. That’s why other states recognize that treatment ASAP, any kind of therapeutic treatment, early on for high risk,… Read more »

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Wilmette
2 years ago
Reply to  KJ

You will not overdose on Vitamin D so I wouldn’t be concerned there. I would take 10,000 IU/daily if you get sick. I take 5k on a daily basis as I have a D deficiency to begin with.

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